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I attended a company board yesterday, and the main gig from two of the board members was that my nameplate, unit awards, and regimental affiliation did not "appear" to be centered. Before I actually appeared before the board, the pre-inspection measured and gave me the good to go. I asked one of the board members afterwards about it, and he said that regardless of it it was centered, aligned, etc, it did not appear to be, and that I should effectively ignore any measuring requirements and make my placements to appear correct instead. Doing so with the nameplate and affiliation makes it impossible for me to place the unit award rack without looking glaringly off from the corners of the pockets. Curious about how I should pursue this/improve for next time.
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Male personnel. On the service uniform shirts, and on the coats of the green and blue service/dress uniforms, the nameplate is worn centered left to right on the flap of the right breast pocket, and centered between the top of the button and the top of the pocket. DA Pam 670-1
I only post this because no where in the DA Pam doesn't give a measurement it says centered. I've always centered my nameplate using the a ruler cut between the N and B of my last name to line up directly with the button hole. Then use the ruler to line up the unit awards and regimental crest. Always looks centered because visually it is centered. With your name SPC Birch I would put the ruler right on the point where the leg of the "R" hits the curve (I'd also check to make sure your name is actually centered on your nameplate, sometimes that does get messed up). My experience is you can measure all day long and the thing will still not be centered sometimes. Remember 670-1 is about wear and appearance so if it doesn't look right then 99% of the time it isn't right.
BTW you didn't say if you passed the board or not.
I only post this because no where in the DA Pam doesn't give a measurement it says centered. I've always centered my nameplate using the a ruler cut between the N and B of my last name to line up directly with the button hole. Then use the ruler to line up the unit awards and regimental crest. Always looks centered because visually it is centered. With your name SPC Birch I would put the ruler right on the point where the leg of the "R" hits the curve (I'd also check to make sure your name is actually centered on your nameplate, sometimes that does get messed up). My experience is you can measure all day long and the thing will still not be centered sometimes. Remember 670-1 is about wear and appearance so if it doesn't look right then 99% of the time it isn't right.
BTW you didn't say if you passed the board or not.
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SGT (Join to see)
SFC,
I didn't win specifically because of the gig from both board members on my uniform - was 2 points behind after averaging. After looking into it, I've found that my button is actually off center to the left.
I didn't win specifically because of the gig from both board members on my uniform - was 2 points behind after averaging. After looking into it, I've found that my button is actually off center to the left.
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LTC Jason Mackay
I use that same TTP with the button slot aligned between the C and K. The wreath frame changes pattern in the middle, I align that off the button slot. Couple reasons, even if the name plate is not equidistant from the edges of the imperfect pocket flap.
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Ah civilian life!!! No one cares if your gig line is straight, your buttons are buttoned your zipper is zipped or the snaps overlaying the zipped zipper are snapped, just as long as your fly is closed.
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LTC Stephen C.
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca, I'll bet you check your gig line every time you dress and go out! After 28 years of checking my uniform, it's automatic for me to check my civilian attire as well!
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I have won many boards and just got my Promotable status last week for SSG and my advice is always "How does it look when worn?". I do not use a ruler when I place my awards, ribbons and badges, all I do is make it look right. How it looks is 100x more important then how it is measured, cause 90% of the time on the board the CSM and 1SGs are going to be sitting down and looking from behind the table, they aren't up in your grill measuring.... most of the time. Also, have a bunch of Sergeants look when you have it on, not just one or two.
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
I agree. Being in the Old Guard the appearance of the uniform is a big deal with what we do. We tend to measure everything out then put on our blouse have someone else look at it, then they measure it as well.
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Spc Samuel Burch, just make sure that your uniform fits you properly. Yeah the uniforms are never perfectly aligned, but just adjust as you go to keep everyone off your back. Even if u prove to any board member that the problem lies in how the uniform was tailored, they're just gonna hit you up with an metaphorical brick in the head and say "as an NCO, what would you do to fix a situation like this in a combat zone".bottom line, roll with the punches and straighten your gear and you'll have no worries.
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I feel you on this one. If you have any muscle at all, as soon as you put the ASU jacket on everything goes all over the place. I have always found that measuring everything out, then readjusting when you put it on is the way to go.
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After a re-inspection by myself and my PSG today, I've discovered that the button stitching is actually off center. So, side to side my name can be centered, but it will look off due to the button being wrong by about 5/32nds of an inch. The awards look slightly canted when layed flat due to the curve of the pocket, and now appear misaligned l/r. This photo is after the name plate and regimental crest were moved slightly to bring them in line with the button, before discovering that it was off.
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SFC (Join to see)
I guess i'm just hard to please, those still cost too much for me as of yet, 1SG (Join to see). I overhead advice given to a young PFC once that since the regulation pictured campaign stars separated on the ribbon then the joined ones available for commercial purchase were unauthorized. The picture above to me looks crooked as... something, but then again it might look better as a whole.
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1SG (Join to see)
Stole my thunder. I was going to suggest you check the button alignment. It is common for it to be off-center on issue ASUs.
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Initial look is just that, initial, this does not warrant a fix, it warrants a closer inspection or measurement. Measurements should made as worn though.
translation, the gig would be for the inspector not doing a full inspection and going by initial view.
translation, the gig would be for the inspector not doing a full inspection and going by initial view.
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I would always go by measurements. That way you know it's centered. I can't speak on how your uniform looked yesterday but if you take the time to measure out the placement then you are good to go. Remember, how you stand has an effect on how your placement falls as well as well as the size and fit of your jacket.
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I agree with what others are saying in having someone else look at it while you wear it. I'm an E7 and I still have four other Soldiers look at my uniform and make adjustments just so I looked right for a promotion ceremony. I also think that the more we wear the ASUs the easier it becomes to make it look right. I wore them a lot while stationed at Fort Lee and it's easier for me to get them right because of the "wearing" experience.
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