Posted on Sep 26, 2014
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Another case to promote CCL. Unfortunately one innocent victim could not be saved. Thoughts?

http://www.funker530.com/woman-beheaded-by-islamist-in-oklahoma-concealed-carry-saved-2nd-victim/
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Maj Chris Nelson
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But....but....but..... according to Moms against guns, this NEVER occurs....a GOOD GUY with a GUN will NEVER stop a BAD GUY with a GUN.....

With that being said....I carry. I have NO desire to use it, but I also have no desire to use the fire extinguisher that I have in my kitchen....but I will not hesitate to use either one of them in a situation that I deem the use as required.... I will also not loose much sleep over it either!
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Same here, and he has the right to heed my first warning which is a round being chambered in my tactical shotgun.
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SCPO Navigation Division/Dpeartment L Eading Chief Petty Officer
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As the saying goes: better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
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Well put PO1 Kerry Hood!
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SFC William Farrell
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Me too when i can Maj Chris Nelson but not as often as I like. I too have fire extinguishers in the home, i have one mounted on cargo area of my truck and have no desire to use them as you said but will when needed. And like you, I will not lose any sleep over it.
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I am surprised the media admits someone with a gun stopped the maniac. But they are quick to point out it was a reserve police officer. You sure wouldn't want to give the impression that a regular citizen with a gun could prevent these types of situations. People need to come to the realization that a good guy with a gun is a good thing. And just may have an impact on these situations with these fanatic lunatics.
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I don't yet have a CCL, since the state of MD makes it almost impossible to obtain one. But I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt and would like to think that most of those to do obtain a CCL are responsible people who have taken the CCL course seriously. Yes this particular individual was an off duty officer and I respect that. But IMHO I would think that there are many folks not employed in law enforcement, who do have CCLs, who would have done the same thing. Hence the reason for CCLs.
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I guarantee you it's one hell of a deterrent in states that have CCLs.
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Even in states that it is easy. You must go through a background check, fingerprinted and a training class which advises you the law. Then qualify on a range with said firearms. I am a huge surpporter of CCL's. That coming from a former Law Enforcment Officer. I never worked any weapons crimes with a legit CCL holder.
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
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SFC Garzon and MAJ Whitehorn,

Much like SFC Garzon as a former LEO, I believe in legal concealed carry. I have permits in three states and carry most places. I too never worked an incident involving a legitimate CCW / CCL licensee. Many states will waive the training with a DD214.
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MD is a pain in the arse. You have to demonstrate a reason for needing a CCL, such as law enforcement or what have you. Local stupidity, crime rates, and self defense don't count.
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Another scenario in which a life was saved by someone with a CCL
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I personally support both conceal and open carry. I would love to see Gen Amos' suggestion that all E6 and above (including Officers) be armed with a side arm while on duty.

How many mass shootings have to you seen at a Gun Show? Gun Free areas are simple just target rich areas. All except for a few "mass shootings" have occurred in "gun free" zones to include military bases.
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Exactly!!!
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1LT Nick Kidwell
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I would like to see some compiled stats on shootings that were ended or deterred by a citizen carrying a legally carried firearm.

I can think of 2 off the top, but I'm sure there are more.
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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You can find plenty - check with the NRA. They publish monthly stats of said proper usage - but the media conveniently fail to put out there (less local small newspapers). Also, check the the Conceal Carry group.
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I understand what you are saying, but the man was an off-duty officer, not just Joe from down the street, makes circumstances change a bit when referring to a CCL.
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I totally get your point, but I would venture to slightly disagree. I strongly feel that the outcome would have been the same had a civilian with a CCL been in the same situation. Why else would someone obtain a CCL? This is precisely one of the main reasons to obtain one.
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CW2 (Join to see), like Col (Join to see), I too disagree with your assessment. The biggest difference between a law-enforcement officer and the average citizen is the officer has been trained in the specifics of the law in order to enforce it. There are plenty of details within the law that the average just doesn't know. Of course there are some who do research to learn the laws but I digress. The biggest difference though between a citizen who conceal carries and an LEO is range time. Now, I can't say every citizen who CCs has a greater amount of range time than an LEO but I would bet most actually do. LEOs don't go to the range as often as people think. If this were so then why are shootings involving law enforcement generally involves dozens of rounds fired FROM LEOs. One would think they would be highly trained enough to be able to fire just a few rounds. Don't get me wrong. I am in no way trying to diminish or disparage the service by our LEOs but to illustrate the differing points in marksmanship training. I suggest checking out the International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA). They are similar to IPSC but I believe they are much more fun since they do everything on scenario-based shoots. It's quite a bit of fun in shooting so many different configurations and potential scenarios.

One last thing too. LEOs cannot possibly be everywhere at once. They are also NOT required by law to come "save" or "defend" the average citizen. They are there to enforce the law and detain a suspect. Also, those firearms that they carry are for THEIR protection and defensive usage.
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CW2 (Join to see), one additional thing I inadvertently left out. Contrasting the difference in range times, many of us who carry do spend quite a bit of time on the range honing our marksmanship abilities. There are literally dozens of different drills one can do to become better aware of one's surroundings and be better prepared to act decisively and accurately if the need should arise. Like many others have stated, I don't ever want to be in the position to have to kill someone in defense of my life, my family's or other innocents but I train to do so because if the situation should arise then I want to be as prepared as possible.
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It's amazing we don't hear more about such events....but then again we have to realize the media just doesn't want to do it.
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Because the media is very liberal in general and they don't want to promote anything that would hinder the gun control movement.
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Col (Join to see) I would say that puts the media in the "stupid is as stupid does" category......
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No way, our media stupid? ROFL, concur!
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SFC William Farrell
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These need to be published on a regular basis Col (Join to see) until its no longer needed to be. Its too bad you live in such a communist state! I do too for that matter but not as bad as Cali! Thanks for the share.
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This is a rare example of a "good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun" (not a gun, a knife. I shudder to think what might have happened if he did have a gun). The major difference is this guy is a trained professional that has years of service under his belt, not some Jim-Bob-Joe that fancies himself as regulator of good order and justice.
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If someone had stabbed me multiple times and was trying to kill me, I would prefer that any responsible person with a CCL put few rounds in my attackers head. Doesn't matter if it's Jim-Bob-Joe, or a law enforcement officer.
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