Posted on Jun 15, 2015
Army Commander requires troops to wear ACUs with no badges/combat patches?
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What is RP"s thoughts on this "extreme makeover" Army edition?
http://m.gazette.com/fort-carson-colonel-makes-uniform-adjustment-during-training/article/1553718?custom_click=rss
http://m.gazette.com/fort-carson-colonel-makes-uniform-adjustment-during-training/article/1553718?custom_click=rss
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 81
I can understand both sides of the argument. however, I must take the side of the Joe.....yes, we are supposed to work as a team. however, people earn those badges, and not all of us are Rangers and Special Forces.this is just another attempt to adapt to a collectivism or a combination type of society. just think about it... We got drinking age laws.....I guess we need to band NCO clubs, bowling alleys, or the clubs downtown just because some people are not old enough to drink. I kinda hope you see where I'm going at
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The Commander might order the Soldiers to remove all the stuff from there Uniforms but when your in a unit you know you has what Tab's who has what combat patch, the Commander stripping everyone down to make the new guys fit in all that does make it easy for the guys with some time in to give them a hard time. I mean who has not hazed new boot's before. The hell this Commander is bringing down on his new guys. I Can see where he meant for his plan to lead, but knowing and having talked to a bunch of young soldiers the new guys in 1 group and everyone else messing with them in the other group, oh forgot the SFC and up group when there around everything is great.
Just let the new guys get some schools in maybe a gunnery or 2 and all is well. Scouts Out
Just let the new guys get some schools in maybe a gunnery or 2 and all is well. Scouts Out
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It's up to the commander I don't see why it's such a big deal to people that aren't affected by it in in this brigade and it gives me no issue that I can't wear it my soldiers know what I have done and seen they have asked and I have shared it's about cohesion not accomplishments as a leader you train not take recognition if you can't understand that you need to reset your moral compass
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
the big deal is not about the patches really, its more the fact that he is going against a part of the regulation that explicitly tells him not to restrict or discourage the wear of items authorized to wear. by regulation.
if the boss breaks the rules...
if the boss breaks the rules...
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Teamwork is sometimes shown to be more conductive in a working environment by establishing a standard. The Commander is sets the standard. In doing this he must rely on his NCO's to enforce and adhere to the standard.
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What sort of self loathing is this? Combat patches have always been an inspiration to those of us who haven't been to combat. They symbolize the veteran leader that has seen the elephant and knows what it takes to survive the experience. So now we want to take away the patch in the field? I know why the COL wants to do this. He wants to even the playing field because he has junior officers and NCOs with no combat experience trying to train the next generation of troops. Well you want that guy with the patch present to add validity to the tactics and techniques you are training. I can't believe a BDE CDR would take the PC feel good route.
I think this is BS but I am retired and have no skin in the game. What do you all think?
I think this is BS but I am retired and have no skin in the game. What do you all think?
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These patches are something to be proud of, and a record to show fellow soldiers. The young troops look up to someone who has "done it all", and since when has a Colonel had the authority to go against the regs. Maybe the Colonel has had desk jobs all his career and has a problem with NCO's, who are all patched up.
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Regardless of whether or not its in the field, they should be able to wear it if they want. I wear mine not because I feel the need to show others I've deployed. I wear it because that's how I honor my brothers that I spent a year dodging bullets and rockets with. And for the guys we had that didn't make it home. So for me, the patch on my right arm has more of a personal meaning to it.
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I like it. I've never cared for any of the flair anyway, and he's right; it's someone's character that matters, and not much else.
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SFC Nikhil Kumra, this was done by a commander with poor experience molding soldiers.
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CPT Pedro Meza
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, thank you for the Bio, there is a disconnect between his Bio and his orders; just doesn't makes sense.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
CPT Pedro Meza I "think" I see where he is coming from. For a singular training evolution, there is nothing wrong with sanitizing the uniform to build esprit de corps. He's not saying people can't wear them ever, just for this one event. If he said not "flair" ever, I would be completely on board with most posters regarding the issue.
But for a singular event, does the presence of those indicators promote or detract from training (or neither)? If it doesn't actively promote the training, then is it needed?
But for a singular event, does the presence of those indicators promote or detract from training (or neither)? If it doesn't actively promote the training, then is it needed?
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CPT Pedro Meza
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, Thank you and I see your point, for me it hard to understand given the fact that I have a third MOS as an instructor since 1984, which also explains my photo; I was an instructor roll player during AT 2011.
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