Posted on Sep 4, 2014
At what rank should Soldiers be exempt from organized PT?
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Seriously? My son's a Lt.Col, still runs 6-10 miles a day on his own, as well as organized PT with the battalion. Guess he never outgrew Airborne training & Ranger school.
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When you reach the rank of retired or civilian. I said what I said. My last unit, company commanders, XOs, and 1SGs would conduct PT with each other and periodically fall into random platoon's PT sessions. Not to micromanage or anything of that nature, but to show the command is here and will do the exact same PT as the troops. When you see the company, or hell, even BN command team falling into your formation during PT you knew they were down for whatever challenge you were recieving for PT, and it was a morale boost.
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PT is not just a fitness program, it’s a team building program. It contributes to unit cohesion and develops teamwork. No one should be exempt, even profiles should be with their team as much as possible, I was never a fan of splitting the profiles out. PT is a must, and team/ unit PT is just as important as individual PT
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Speaking of which, anyone seen my Warrant? We were supposed to go for a run...
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over the years I did a lot of PT on my own however, I also did PT with my units as often as possible
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SGT Gregory Yelland
If I may clarify: there are a number of types of PT; Personal, Daily, Team, Platoon,Divisional, Diagnostic and Annual. There is Organizational ie; That which belongs to the Organization: "Company and Battalion. In my humble opinion; NO ONE should be exempt from the Diagnostic (will the troop be able to pass the Annual PT Test?) or the Annual (for the 'record') test.as well as the 'Organizational" kind: In those instances where there is an "Organizational' PT event; then NO ONE that is in the Organization should be exempt.
In no way do I suggest that the planners for our performance (Senior Officers and senior enlisted) should go out and do the daily pt's with the ones that have to preform the plan (Enlisted, NCO's and their Team Officer (who usually is an Lt in my experience)
In no way do I suggest that the planners for our performance (Senior Officers and senior enlisted) should go out and do the daily pt's with the ones that have to preform the plan (Enlisted, NCO's and their Team Officer (who usually is an Lt in my experience)
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I agree "retired" SSG Pete Fleming!
If you are a Soldier, or Leader, and assigned to a unit a that does organized PT, you should be there at PT whether you are an assigned leader or member the staff. I say "assigned to a unit that does organized PT," as many senior leaders assigned to MACOM Staffs and higher are in units that don't do organized PT.
When I was a Battalion XO, my Battalion Commander required everyone in the Battalion Staff (MAJs, CPTs, SGM, etc) to be at PT with HHD everyday; BS and CSM were also there. When I was Deputy Brigade Commander, my Brigade Commander required me (LTC) and all the Brigade staff (MAJs, CPTs, SGM, MSG, SFC, etc) to be at HHC PT everyday...
Also, shift workers are exceptions... Like MPs... that gets hard...
I also agree those who score 270 or above should get special rules, but not if you are a unit leader (In a leadership position), as you need to be present.
If you are a Soldier, or Leader, and assigned to a unit a that does organized PT, you should be there at PT whether you are an assigned leader or member the staff. I say "assigned to a unit that does organized PT," as many senior leaders assigned to MACOM Staffs and higher are in units that don't do organized PT.
When I was a Battalion XO, my Battalion Commander required everyone in the Battalion Staff (MAJs, CPTs, SGM, etc) to be at PT with HHD everyday; BS and CSM were also there. When I was Deputy Brigade Commander, my Brigade Commander required me (LTC) and all the Brigade staff (MAJs, CPTs, SGM, MSG, SFC, etc) to be at HHC PT everyday...
Also, shift workers are exceptions... Like MPs... that gets hard...
I also agree those who score 270 or above should get special rules, but not if you are a unit leader (In a leadership position), as you need to be present.
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SSG Eddye Royal
Col. Charles Williams, Sir the other day @ 24 hr Fitness a trainer to me that I did not look like a miltary soldier that had 21 years in, I said what does one look like and should one broadcast it? is that why Cilivians today dont have ETHICS, and stay on jobs and keep young people line these days? He look confused.
He proceeded to tell me there was no way that I could run on the tread mill at a incline at grade of 15 above 5. I ran at 6 while his mgr was looking on, and ask to speak to him afterward. We are an hour from old Carswell Airforce Base Joint in FT Worth, Tx. and Military personal goes here. I explained to the manager as a retired soldier I stay in shape, I dont have a need to show off, ANYMORE!! but if a soldier ask me to run with them or other fitness development issues I will give it my best once I am updated.
He proceeded to tell me there was no way that I could run on the tread mill at a incline at grade of 15 above 5. I ran at 6 while his mgr was looking on, and ask to speak to him afterward. We are an hour from old Carswell Airforce Base Joint in FT Worth, Tx. and Military personal goes here. I explained to the manager as a retired soldier I stay in shape, I dont have a need to show off, ANYMORE!! but if a soldier ask me to run with them or other fitness development issues I will give it my best once I am updated.
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I concur with the sentiment above. If my Soldiers are going to be conducting organized PT, I will be right by their side. You can't "lead from the back", nor be respected if you cannot maintain the same standards as those whom you lead. It is a matter of discipline and how you choose to display your leadership. My philosophy is that I will not ask / direct my Soldiers to do something that I will not do myself (i.e. work side by side)
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Unit cohesion is a HUGE part of the Marine Corps. Unless your detail for te day means that you can't PT you are involved in unit PT in one way or another. A lot of Sergeants Major will PT with a platoon if there is no staff Pt going on. A lot of times they'll just show up and ask to join the unit for PT. They'll even let the NCOs lead the PT as if they're not even there. This does two things essentially. 1) It allows the SgtMjr to put himself on the unit level, to bond with them. 2) It allows the SgtMjr to see what his NCOs are doing for PT and how unit cohesion is.
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I believe the leaders in each unit should lead from the front meaning they should be in formation with the troops.
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SGT Michael Glenn
At no rank!!! you are told by your chain of command that PT is (your branch) wide and that all members have to stay fit and combat ready, soooooooooooooooo...make them put their money where their mouths are, if a senior commander cannot conform to military standards like they expect their soldiers, then they cannot lead by example and should be discharged out of the service like any other soldier. I grew tired and pissed at sr officers and NCO's wobbling around talking shit with guts sticking out who got winded watching people run. Your a piss poor excuse of a soldier if you think you can hide behind your rank and make your own policies !!!!!
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