Posted on Jun 5, 2015
Can an atheist be a fair and impartial supervisor and leader?
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Ok, so the survey was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But since I've joined Rally Point seems those of a faith are continually attacked. They stand their ground and it would be fair conversation if it wasn't always what seems to be a one sided attack against those that tend to defend taking the high ground.
So, it leads to my question, can an atheist be a fair and impartial supervisor? Are people of faith or even neutral more qualified as leaders? Respond with a little more than a drive by comment or just tossing a stone at my glass house.
So, it leads to my question, can an atheist be a fair and impartial supervisor? Are people of faith or even neutral more qualified as leaders? Respond with a little more than a drive by comment or just tossing a stone at my glass house.
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Anyone has the ability to be fair and impartial. Religion or lack there of shouldn't have any bearing on supervising personnel in a secular job environment.
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SSG Paul Setterholm
"When I do good I feel good. When I do bad I feel bad. That's my religion." ~President Abraham Lincoln
That's says it all.
That's says it all.
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Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire
Answer to the main question is, "NO"! In response to bob petrarca; if that is truly your feelings than send your small boys to the boy scouts camp for two-weeks so they can spend time with their gay scout leaders! "Than", reflect back to your last sentence you wrote. Remember, you wrote it!
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SPC Michael Tierney
Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire - "gay scout leaders"? I am guessing a lot of us were Boy Scouts and had a great time. Child molesters are not necessarily "gay". Scout leaders or priests that molested kids are sick people.
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In a professional work environment, you should never really know what your supervisors' religious convictions or lack thereof are.
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MSgt Brian Welch
I agree that it doesn't need to be an issue for discussion in a professional environmental. And I agree the knowledge if ones belief can go both ways but generally a subordinate can't have that much impact on holding it against the supervisor. The supervisor however, if a hyper-atheist could have a big impact on the subordinates career, even end it. No?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
MSgt Brian Welch As much as a hyper religious supervisor could on an atheist subordinates?
It's not the religion or lack thereof that creates that issue, it's a leadership failure that creates that problem. Let's not attribute a hypothetical ethical problem to a specific source.
It's not the religion or lack thereof that creates that issue, it's a leadership failure that creates that problem. Let's not attribute a hypothetical ethical problem to a specific source.
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SGT (Join to see)
"Seems they prowl on here". Hmm. In the real military world, I would think we treat people the same, regardless of what their beliefs are. There are always exceptions, on both sides.
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BLUF - Christians do not have corner on morality, etc. Morality, fairness, and impartiality are hallmarks of educated persons who respect those characteristics while being full participants in nature and society.
Many Christians believe that they have a corner on morality, dignity, and other civil and social virtues. Ask where these morals, customs, and virtues come from and there will be the emphatic answer of Judeo-Christian scripture. Take for instance the Golden Rule. Jesus of Nazareth was not the primogeniture of the Golden Rule. The rule exists in pre-Christian world religions and fits prominently in non Abramaic religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism, and the rest of the world's major religion. Christianity doesn't have a corner on morality. But try to explain that to an evangelical. Social hierarchy, customs, rules, laws and morays existed prior to the Iron Age Levant. Our Nation's prevailing democratic world views were in part fashioned Social Philosophers such as Hobbs, Locke, Hume, Paine, Jefferson, and Madison and others who's own writings seem to reject the Hand of God / Divine Influence explanation and place a creator outside nature. And their scientific understanding of nature and the natural world was in many ways still in the Dark Ages.
Many Christians believe that they have a corner on morality, dignity, and other civil and social virtues. Ask where these morals, customs, and virtues come from and there will be the emphatic answer of Judeo-Christian scripture. Take for instance the Golden Rule. Jesus of Nazareth was not the primogeniture of the Golden Rule. The rule exists in pre-Christian world religions and fits prominently in non Abramaic religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism, and the rest of the world's major religion. Christianity doesn't have a corner on morality. But try to explain that to an evangelical. Social hierarchy, customs, rules, laws and morays existed prior to the Iron Age Levant. Our Nation's prevailing democratic world views were in part fashioned Social Philosophers such as Hobbs, Locke, Hume, Paine, Jefferson, and Madison and others who's own writings seem to reject the Hand of God / Divine Influence explanation and place a creator outside nature. And their scientific understanding of nature and the natural world was in many ways still in the Dark Ages.
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CPL Joshua Wood
MAJ Keira Brennan
THANK YOU! I appreciate your argument against the Christian morality monopoly belief that is so prevalent in our society. I love that you listed the major players associated with our democracy but a quick question (off topic). Why add Hobbs to the list? He was a British Monarchy supporter and hated what was happening in America. I mean Leviathan was written by Hobbs to support an all powerful leader that controlled the state and the church. Am I missing something? How does he factor into nations democratic views? You forgot to mention Adam Smith who did believe that commerce was guided by the invisible hand. I am so glad to hear you speak the truth concerning certain founders and their deist or anti-influence beliefs.
THANK YOU! I appreciate your argument against the Christian morality monopoly belief that is so prevalent in our society. I love that you listed the major players associated with our democracy but a quick question (off topic). Why add Hobbs to the list? He was a British Monarchy supporter and hated what was happening in America. I mean Leviathan was written by Hobbs to support an all powerful leader that controlled the state and the church. Am I missing something? How does he factor into nations democratic views? You forgot to mention Adam Smith who did believe that commerce was guided by the invisible hand. I am so glad to hear you speak the truth concerning certain founders and their deist or anti-influence beliefs.
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SP5 Renee Reif
Understand simple things. For example, it would be prudent for ALL service members and veterans to have a deep understanding of racism, mysogyny, and religious discrimination. The history of this. The Abrahamic religions have battled for centuries. White supremacy is DEEPLY ROOTED in Christianity. Only Christians exhibit anti-semitism in America; Jews and Muslims generally have a good rapport at minimum, vibrant working communities at best.
I know that the military offers a place for people to begin their lives, their careers, but maybe, we need to attract FORMALLY EDUCATED service members, and demand ONGOING TRAINING on critical histories, so as to foster less discrimination in the ranks, let alone discrimination against Americans who are NOT in uniform who need us to defend them. Veterans have a platform, a voice. America needs us now, more than ever. There is a terrible call for violence by extremists, that is being fueled by right-wing voices. We have the ability to learn from SCHOLARS
I know that the military offers a place for people to begin their lives, their careers, but maybe, we need to attract FORMALLY EDUCATED service members, and demand ONGOING TRAINING on critical histories, so as to foster less discrimination in the ranks, let alone discrimination against Americans who are NOT in uniform who need us to defend them. Veterans have a platform, a voice. America needs us now, more than ever. There is a terrible call for violence by extremists, that is being fueled by right-wing voices. We have the ability to learn from SCHOLARS
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SP5 Renee Reif
I am a Humanistic Jew. As an atheist, many of us firmly believe in and live the "Golden Rule" but most of us are not honored in return. The only difference between me as an atheist, and you as a believer, is that I believe in ONE LESS deity. However, I was raised in a catholic household, and attended several evangelical churches and went thru a phase of following Native American and other pagan spirituality. I was searching. And, after searching, came to the conclusion that there are no deities. That does NOT mean I have given up on everything I've been taught about humanity, humanitarianism, and, most especially, pluralism.
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MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
SP5 Renee Reif - Only Christians exhibit anti-semitism in America? When was the last time you were around a college campus? Also, what about the Democrat Squad members? Give me a break!
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