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Warrant Officers
NCOs
Counseling
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CW4
Posted >1 y ago
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Read the top of the form itself
PRINCIPAL PURPOSE: To assist leaders in conducting and recording counseling data pertaining to subordinates
Giving it to someone other than a subordinate is bad form (pun intended)
PRINCIPAL PURPOSE: To assist leaders in conducting and recording counseling data pertaining to subordinates
Giving it to someone other than a subordinate is bad form (pun intended)
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Maybe I read into it too much. NCO is also an officer, just not commissioned.
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SFC (Join to see)
No and I agree with you. But many people ignored the officer part in the NCO. Maybe the Army should rename NCO to just Enlisted Adviser and Senior Enlisted Adviser. Also, some posts brought up a few good points, such as the multi dimensional utilization of the counseling statement.
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No. A CWO4 is a commissioned officer authorized to fill a command position. You can report his/her conduct to the chain of command but that's it
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LTC (Join to see)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/571
Chief Warrant Officers are commissioned warrant officers.
Chief Warrant Officers are commissioned warrant officers.
10 U.S. Code § 571 - Warrant officers: grades
Provisions similar to those in this section were contained in section 555 of this title prior to repeal by Pub. L. 102–190, §1112(a).
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SFC Freddie Porter
I thought they changed the rules a few years back with elevated the status of a Warrent Officer to that of a commissioned officer. That was done so a CW3 or higher could assume a command slot. Please correct me if in wrong. Regardless, an NCO cannot give a Warrant Officer a counseling statement unless the NCO wants to incur the wrath of the CSM or any officer/commander
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CW3 (Join to see)
I can't speak for the other branches, but in the Army, you're commissioned as of CW2, not CW3.
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Warrant Officer is an officer, right? I see an E7 setting him or herself up for insubordination charge. Maybe there's a good reason the AF did away with WOs.
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PO1 Jack Howell
Actually he/or she can through positional authority. He/she would still have to be mindful of the rank of the individual senior to him/her.
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Well hell Chief what did you do to warrant an E-7 to rattle your skids LOL
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CW4 Brian Haas
It was "you don't do your f'ing job" after he was telling me what his job is NOT. Not even in a mean manner. Imagine laid back country I don't give a damn accent...that's it. He was butthurt because he got called out recently by the 1SG for not getting work done, to include processing my leave form.
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SGM Erik Marquez
CW4 Brian Haas - In that case I would listen thoughtfully to that NCO, and when asked at the conclusion if I had anything to say.., spend a few minutes explaining the many possibilities, shapes and forms the 4856 suppository could be made into... and would said NCO like some help before heading off to a private location to utilise said item.
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SSG Warren Swan
Thanks Chief. You and that SFC will now end up having a "respect stand down day" where some Joe is teaching the BDE that cursing isn't allowed, permissable, or in good form in today's Army. It's called Sentence Enhancers now.
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The Air Force discontinued warrant officers about the time I enlisted or shortly thereafter. But, those that remained were highly respected and I don't know of any NCO that would do this.
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Capt (Join to see)
CW4 Brian Haas - Counselling? IF there ever was a problem a short discussion over a beer would be it.
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Yes brother if he's in your chain of command. Informational only. Other than that the SSG and your CDR have lost their freaking minds. Believe me I went through this at the WTU for a few months. Not only Warrants but regular officers and SGMs as well lol
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CW4 Angel C.
CW4 Brian Haas - I hear you. What's sad about WTUs is that if you're not in the COC then they will "try" to treat you like an E4. It's total BS. Good luck brother!
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