Posted on Nov 24, 2015
Can background checks really help prevent terrorism?
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I can understand the reasoning for background checks in gun shows. Anyone, any race, any foreigner, any mentally ill person can go to a gun show and buy a weapon. After reading this article, I think it's the right thing to do to protect ourselves and our country. I've never been to a gun show. Main reason is I don't like crowds of people. Especially crowds of people where guns are being displayed out in the open on tables. But, that's just me. I'm sure many of you attend gun shows and are either selling or buying or both. I'd like to hear your comments about gun registration at gun shows.
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If you had ever gone to a gun show then you would know that almost everyone who buys a gun at one must have an instant background check. Vendors who sell guns there are federal firearms licensed dealers and are required by law to do a background check for every sale. Only transactions between individuals are exempt and they can take place anywhere.
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SSG (Join to see)
I tend to see a lot of people selling weapons at gun shows who are not licensed dealers. I don't know if these people are just making some money off guns they no longer want or if they are actively trying to make money by selling guns to people who would normally not be allowed to purchase them. I suspect it is a mix.
How hard would it be to collect the names from all 50 states of people who are not allowed to own guns and consolidate them onto into a single list. Then put up a website and allow people to input drivers license number and/or last 4 of SSN and name to see if they are on the list. Someone could run the check on their smartphone or gun shows could set up a dedicated laptop for people who want to sell their firearms. Either way, an honest person could find out in seconds if they were selling to someone who shouldn't have a gun. BATFE could also go after private sellers willing to sell to criminals or people with a history of domestic violence.
How hard would it be to collect the names from all 50 states of people who are not allowed to own guns and consolidate them onto into a single list. Then put up a website and allow people to input drivers license number and/or last 4 of SSN and name to see if they are on the list. Someone could run the check on their smartphone or gun shows could set up a dedicated laptop for people who want to sell their firearms. Either way, an honest person could find out in seconds if they were selling to someone who shouldn't have a gun. BATFE could also go after private sellers willing to sell to criminals or people with a history of domestic violence.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
If an individual really wants to do a legal sale many licensed gun dealers will do a transfer for you. What they charge is up to them.
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SGT Edward Thomas
Don't forget that individual selling a gun to an individual doesn't go through the NIC system. The whole background check thing only keeps law abiding citizens legal. Criminals transfer weapons of all types without so much as going through any background check system.
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I've bought guns at a gun show, still have to fill out the exact same paperwork and wait for the NIC call before taking possession of a firearm. The "gun-show loophole" is individual sellers who are selling without an FFL which is not a federal requirement and a very minimum amount of the total number of firearms sold. The same people can sell their firearms on craigs list.
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SSG (Join to see)
If you buy from a licensed dealer at a gun show you will have to fill out the paperwork. If you buy from John Doe who is selling half his gun collection at the gun show, there is no paperwork. At least not in Arizona.
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Cpl (Join to see)
I've seen a few walk around a gun show with their firearms, but they aren't selling from a booth. Most of the sales are ranch guns, a few pistols and rarely an AR-15. Those sales are the statistical minimum. Criminals will typically avoid gunshows because they are in large public crowds; criminals tend to steer towards anonymity. Besides, most people in TX aren't selling, they are stock-piling.
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Love gun shows. Dealers at gun shows currently do background checks on any guns that they sell, and frequently do background checks for private citizens selling guns to one another. Not a big deal except for the extra cost involved.
Private sales at gun shows, like private sales anywhere else (family members, friends, swap meets, newspaper ads, etc.) are not covered by the mandatory checks, nor should they be IMHO.
I think it would be more effective if the police and courts removed criminals from our midst so that law-abiding gun owners could go about their business without such government intrusions in their lives. We are not part of the problem; criminals are.
Private sales at gun shows, like private sales anywhere else (family members, friends, swap meets, newspaper ads, etc.) are not covered by the mandatory checks, nor should they be IMHO.
I think it would be more effective if the police and courts removed criminals from our midst so that law-abiding gun owners could go about their business without such government intrusions in their lives. We are not part of the problem; criminals are.
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SGT (Join to see)
So, do you think background checks deter criminals? I sure don't. Criminals have their way of getting guns, and honest people have their way of getting a gun. I prefer the honesty way.
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Capt Seid Waddell
SGT (Join to see), no, criminals are by definition outside the law. Gun laws only affect the law-abiding who are not part of the problem.
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Former Gun Dealer here.
The "Gun Show Loophole" is a MISNOMER. It doesn't exist. It is media and progressive HYPERBOLE.
It is a PERSON TO PERSON transaction, which is fully authorized by Federal Law. It is not a "Loophole." It has nothing to do with "Gun Shows."
Generally speaking, if you are allowed to do a Person to Person Transfer at a Gun Show, you can do it almost anywhere else in your state as well. Some states allow them, some states do not.
1) You must not be prohibited from purchasing the weapon already. In other words, you would have already had to be able to fill out the appropriate paperwork to get the gun. If you use a person-to-person transfer to bypass a background check because you know you are going to fail it, you're already wrong. And honestly there is nothing we could have done to stop that anyways.
2) Not all states have "registration." The FEDERAL Government does NOT have Registration. There is NO FEDERAL REGISTRATION ON (Standard) FIREARMS TRANSACTIONS. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, or stupid. The 4473 is retained by the dealer until they go out of business.
3) The reason why Person-to-Person transactions are important is because:
a) What if you want to "will" you guns to someone when you die
b) Give a family member or a friend a gift. Like buy your son a pistol on his 21st Birthday. Or give your wife a shotgun to defend herself because you are deploying.
4) Violence, including "Gun" Violence has been on the decline for 40 years. Rifles made up 1000~total homicides last year. You are more likely to be killed by a knife than a rifle. Handguns are 10x times more likely.... however SUICIDE is is the MAJOR source of Gun Related Death. Not Homicide. Let that sink in. More People are killed by Suicide by Gun, than Homicide by Gun. We don't have a Gun Problem. We have 320M People, 70-80M Gun Owners, 300M Guns. 12K~ gun Deaths by Homicide, and the VAST Majority of those can be attributed to 6-7 specific locations.
The Person-to-person transfer, which is NOT legal in Chicago, NY, LA, DC, Oakland/SF (5 of those locations) is not what is causing this issue.
The "Gun Show Loophole" is a MISNOMER. It doesn't exist. It is media and progressive HYPERBOLE.
It is a PERSON TO PERSON transaction, which is fully authorized by Federal Law. It is not a "Loophole." It has nothing to do with "Gun Shows."
Generally speaking, if you are allowed to do a Person to Person Transfer at a Gun Show, you can do it almost anywhere else in your state as well. Some states allow them, some states do not.
1) You must not be prohibited from purchasing the weapon already. In other words, you would have already had to be able to fill out the appropriate paperwork to get the gun. If you use a person-to-person transfer to bypass a background check because you know you are going to fail it, you're already wrong. And honestly there is nothing we could have done to stop that anyways.
2) Not all states have "registration." The FEDERAL Government does NOT have Registration. There is NO FEDERAL REGISTRATION ON (Standard) FIREARMS TRANSACTIONS. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, or stupid. The 4473 is retained by the dealer until they go out of business.
3) The reason why Person-to-Person transactions are important is because:
a) What if you want to "will" you guns to someone when you die
b) Give a family member or a friend a gift. Like buy your son a pistol on his 21st Birthday. Or give your wife a shotgun to defend herself because you are deploying.
4) Violence, including "Gun" Violence has been on the decline for 40 years. Rifles made up 1000~total homicides last year. You are more likely to be killed by a knife than a rifle. Handguns are 10x times more likely.... however SUICIDE is is the MAJOR source of Gun Related Death. Not Homicide. Let that sink in. More People are killed by Suicide by Gun, than Homicide by Gun. We don't have a Gun Problem. We have 320M People, 70-80M Gun Owners, 300M Guns. 12K~ gun Deaths by Homicide, and the VAST Majority of those can be attributed to 6-7 specific locations.
The Person-to-person transfer, which is NOT legal in Chicago, NY, LA, DC, Oakland/SF (5 of those locations) is not what is causing this issue.
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CMSgt Donald Felch
This is one of the most fact-based, reasonable, emotion-free piece I've read in a long time regarding gun ownership, transfer and the law. Thank-you! Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Gun shows are no longer run by individual, most gun shows seller are business owner or collector ... individual sales their gun on local ad boards and bulletin.
Some only sell them to friends they get to know. There is a huge community of gun owners that operate under the system, and it will not go away even if laws passed on it.
Some only sell them to friends they get to know. There is a huge community of gun owners that operate under the system, and it will not go away even if laws passed on it.
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I think that depends on which state and where the gun shows are held, PO3 (Join to see). I agree that there will be gun bootleggers forever.
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I really don't seem background checks going anywhere, since these people have 20 different names. Iraqis were hard enough for the Intel personnel (without giving to much info, remember OPSEC).
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SGT (Join to see)
SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres, How are they supposed to find anything on one of these people without any paperwork? It's a bunch of crap, trying to be shoved down our throats, that all is well, and we are safe, because ISIS has been contained.
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SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres
More propaganda. And every few years the illusion must be maintained by all sides and Nations. In reality, our Nations are playing RISK. And we are merely pawns that have adopted ideologies sent forth by those in control. The only way to win, is to effectively not participate. More to it than that, I just want to be the hero of my own story. To be welcomed by my Creator in my final days....
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Doubtful, any organization that wants to create a bulletproof background can. As long as the person using it knows what they are doing.
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This is kind of an old issue. Not much would be accomplished with further gun control legislation, anymore than the existing laws do. Does anyone thing the terrorists are buying their firearms at gun shows? Most guns that are used in mass shootings were legally purchased by someone else and used by some deranges individual. If there were additional provisions for gun control, it would be action taken against the owner of the firearms and some type of mechanism to notify the authorities of people with mental conditions that could lead to attacks.
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Sure they can, provided you believe that terrorists in particular, and criminals in general, get their guns legally.
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