Posted on Mar 21, 2018
Can CIF charge you for items for which you didn’t sign?
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Trying to do the right thing and turn in my ocie that I didn’t sign for. However here is the issue there was a shortage of items and I didn’t receive everything they said I did (even though they can show I signed for it). Can someone help me out or point me in the right direction?
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If you signed for it, even in error you own it. You can plead your case during a Flipl but it doesn't sound good for the home team.
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If CIF or Supply has a signature that is "YOUR SIGNATURE" you are on the hook. There are two ways you can go about this, Get a copy of what they have you signed for then pack up everything you are legally signed for and see what you are missing. In my day we did some horse trading to make up losses or went to the pawn shop to "PURCHASE" used replacement gear. I have paid for hundreds of dollars of gear over the years and have also taken care of troops who were missing gear by supplying them with extra inspection gear we had on hand. I HIGHLY Recommend not turning in anything you are not signed ofr and never walk away with out a signed receipt. Uncle Sam lost MILLIONS in un accountable gears since 9/11 at the RFI sites. I know troops who have retired or ETS's that still have gear that they will never sell or throw away while they wait for a bill from Uncle Sam when a long lost signed receipt shows up.
PROVISO: DO NOT SELL GOVT EQUIPMENT PERIOD, that will bite you in the ass, trading excess to someone in your unit that has a spare is a little different.
PROVISO: DO NOT SELL GOVT EQUIPMENT PERIOD, that will bite you in the ass, trading excess to someone in your unit that has a spare is a little different.
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even is they get out a FLIPL (Financial Liability investigation of property lost) will follow you to the civilian side and get deducted of your tax return.
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Unfortunately if they can show your signature there's not a whole lot you can do. If they're doin you dirty you can just sell the stuff they don't have a signature for to pay for the stuff they're screwing you on.
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Supply can easily get one in trouble. Rule of the road - never sign for anything you don't receive, and always keep a copy of your Equipment Custody Receipt. Otherwise it's your word against theirs. This applies to equipment, weapons, and anything being loaned to you for use.
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Your question and your paragraph is two different question! If it’s in your hand receipt and your signed it then you can be charged for it. It was your duty to check the equipment before signing! You can see if you can buy the equipment from a thrift shop or somewhere cheaper but you signed and responsible for it!
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you turned in the OCIE that you did not sign for. They can't Charge you for any missing components. that is illegal and next time just drop it off on your supply NCO, Just turn in what you sign for. As Supply for more than 25 years, I inform my soldier to always give me a copy of all equipment they sign for at CIF, and maintained on file, (always maintain a COPY). 10 days after Field training, any Field lost or Damage Statement, if not I can't help you. on 2009 2/3 my battalion have FLIPL for IOTV due to RFI, My company and 1 detachment platoon did not have that problem.... my soldier say I was a Pain in the ....
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You signed for it, and it showed you had it, you own it brother, unless you changed that QTY column to "0". You will buy it.
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Your leadership failed you. Every new man went to supply with an experienced NCO, who knew better than to allow a man to sign for something he didn't receive. An great deal of gear that ends up at surplus stores is something that was signed for, but "not in inventory." It is then taken to the surplus store and sold for beer money.
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Reach in your pocket and pull out your wallet. Problem solved. That’s the only way. :(
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