Posted on Apr 25, 2018
Can my son fight being chaptered out after drug use and DUI?
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My son is relatively new to the army. He has made a couple of bad choices. He used an illegal drug. It seemed as though the punishment was going to be minor. But a few weeks later he was caught drinking and driving. He was told that he would be transferred to another base and put in Substance Abuse program. Now they are telling him he will probably be chaptered out. Is there anything he can do? I realize you don't know my son and as a dad I am biased but he is really a good kid. Up until these two offenses he had been doing really well. Do they have to give him a chance at rehab before they chapter him out?
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Hard to argue, but what is his status, still honorable? If not, then perhaps we pause..
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Nope!!!! He needs help and the army doesn’t have time to reform yur drunk child!!
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SPC Frank Shiffer
Perhaps we could ask, has he seen combat, how close, questions like that? Cuz if he did then I'm thinking this could be a syptom but the cause is PTSD. What do you think Sarge?
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MSG Dan Castaneda
Nope. I’ve seen direct Combat more times than I wish I had and I don’t drink nor smoke dope. It’s not an excuse.
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Is he worth saving? I had a DUI at the mid-point of my career and the Navy sent me to rehab. Something bad happened that triggered it. I only had one offense in my career though. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to forget it because I still have to report it for my Security Clearance background check, called an SF 86. His second offense probably sealed his fate.
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Until recently, I had never heard the term "Chaptered Out" so, I can't really give an opinion on that except to say, be glad he's not getting a Dishonorable Discharge. From what little I do understand, there are several possible end results, only one or two of which he'd be able to return from.
Back when I was in, the legal drinking age was still 18 but with a military ID, it was 17 and on base, beer was dirt cheap ($7 for a case of Bud). There was a guy in our unit who at 17, became an alcoholic relatively quickly after arriving on our base because he simply couldn't drink in moderation. He never got a DUI but, did show up for duty several times severely hung over. He was given more than one chance to straighten out but, failed miserably. He received a dishonorable discharge and there's no coming back after that.
Back when I was in, the legal drinking age was still 18 but with a military ID, it was 17 and on base, beer was dirt cheap ($7 for a case of Bud). There was a guy in our unit who at 17, became an alcoholic relatively quickly after arriving on our base because he simply couldn't drink in moderation. He never got a DUI but, did show up for duty several times severely hung over. He was given more than one chance to straighten out but, failed miserably. He received a dishonorable discharge and there's no coming back after that.
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Very unfortunate, No is there is no way around that now. All Branches of the Military are 0 tolerance, Immediate discharge, Dis-Honorable is inevitable.
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SPC Frank Shiffer
Thanks Liam that was my question surely a General. His drinking is more than likely connected to his military days IMHO. I know mine were.
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Let's get to the Root of his indiscretions
he's getting High and Drinking BECAUSE he is NOT happy...
the military is Not his environment -
he's getting High and Drinking BECAUSE he is NOT happy...
the military is Not his environment -
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He might very well be a good kid but he’s a bad Soldier. He was given a second chance and he blew it.
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If the Soldier is an E4 or below, he may be successful in fighting that sort of chapter action. I refer you and him to the legal assistance office. However, as a leader, I can't help but wonder what his future potential for service is. Fighting this action, if he doesn't reverse course, will only prolong the inevitable.
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