Posted on Apr 29, 2015
Can you date a person of a higher rank in a completely different unit?
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I see it all day everyday and can relate to it in my personal life. I know that dating in your chain of command is a no go. How about dating a person of a higher rank in a completely different unit? Officer or NCO with lower enlisted? Do you look down on the higher ranking individual? I'd like some input from others involved in a similar situation. Thanks.
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The Army fraternization policy as put out in AR 600-20, 4-14, applies equally whether one is in the same chain of command or not. Other branches of service will have their own variations.
Prosecution within one's own chain of command is more likely, but fraternization outside the chain of command is still prohibited between the following in the Army:
- Officers and enlisted
- NCOs (CPL and above) and junior enlisted (SPC and below)
Prosecution within one's own chain of command is more likely, but fraternization outside the chain of command is still prohibited between the following in the Army:
- Officers and enlisted
- NCOs (CPL and above) and junior enlisted (SPC and below)
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You'll have to refresh my memory on where it's states in the Army frat policy that relationships are prohibited between NCO and lower enlisted. If I recall correctly I believe the stipulations for enlisted are no dating within the same rating chain and if it conflicts with good morale and discipline within the unit. Which as we all know is extremely vague.
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Although THIS Is A Post From 10 YEARS Ago,
I'd Like To Make An Important Comment For Everyone's Benefit.
There Will Always Be Rules, Regulations And Irritating Laws.
And When We Break Them, Some Irritating SOB Will Punish Us.
So The Actual Trick Is "Don't Get Caught", But If You Do, It's Suggested
We Do What The Big Boys Do ~ Deny, Deny , Deny: Make Them PROVE It;
And Actually PROVING It By The Laws, Is Tougher Than All "L",
And Due To It's Legal Complexities, You MAY Discover "You've Broken NO Laws."
I'd Like To Make An Important Comment For Everyone's Benefit.
There Will Always Be Rules, Regulations And Irritating Laws.
And When We Break Them, Some Irritating SOB Will Punish Us.
So The Actual Trick Is "Don't Get Caught", But If You Do, It's Suggested
We Do What The Big Boys Do ~ Deny, Deny , Deny: Make Them PROVE It;
And Actually PROVING It By The Laws, Is Tougher Than All "L",
And Due To It's Legal Complexities, You MAY Discover "You've Broken NO Laws."
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
SFC Jo Ann Klawitter -
I Was Privileged To Have Left Home at 14 To Live In Panama
With Our Oldest Brother Jim & His Family. Here's A Short Version .
Upon My Arrival I Was Told By Jim: " (Paraphrased, But Accurate As All "L")
I'm Not Your Mother, I'm Not Your Father, I'm Your Brother, SO From This Point On You Can Do As You Please; Come And Go At Your Leisure, Stay Out As Late As You Wish, Etc. BUT If You EVER Embarrass Me Or Our Family Name, I Will PERSONALLY Take You Down To The Pacific, Toss Your Azz Into The Ocean And You Can SWIM Back To Michigan. I Will Be Treating You As An Adult And I Expect You To Behave Accordingly. If You Screw-Up, You'll Have To Answer To Me, ANY Questions"? ~ NOPE ~ And That's When A 14 Year Old Kid Began Becoming An Adult. The Absolute BEST Thing Which EVER Happened To Me.~ And I ENLISTED On My 17th Birthday As An Adult, And Ready To Join The Service.
I Was Privileged To Have Left Home at 14 To Live In Panama
With Our Oldest Brother Jim & His Family. Here's A Short Version .
Upon My Arrival I Was Told By Jim: " (Paraphrased, But Accurate As All "L")
I'm Not Your Mother, I'm Not Your Father, I'm Your Brother, SO From This Point On You Can Do As You Please; Come And Go At Your Leisure, Stay Out As Late As You Wish, Etc. BUT If You EVER Embarrass Me Or Our Family Name, I Will PERSONALLY Take You Down To The Pacific, Toss Your Azz Into The Ocean And You Can SWIM Back To Michigan. I Will Be Treating You As An Adult And I Expect You To Behave Accordingly. If You Screw-Up, You'll Have To Answer To Me, ANY Questions"? ~ NOPE ~ And That's When A 14 Year Old Kid Began Becoming An Adult. The Absolute BEST Thing Which EVER Happened To Me.~ And I ENLISTED On My 17th Birthday As An Adult, And Ready To Join The Service.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
SGT Carl Blas -
Quite Frankly, Just Based Upon My Own Experiences;
It's My Belief That Far To Many Restrictions Are Put On The Children, As It Tends To
Delay The Taking On Of Responsibilities & Increases The Time It Takes To Mature Along With Reducing Their Creativity. .. Even Young Kids Need To Be Free To Make Their Own Choices And Learn From The Results. Not Much Difference Than When They Become Adults, But Begin Learning Sooner....And BTW One Hell Of A Lot More Fun Too..
~~ But Lest We Forget,~~ Be Held Responsible No Matter Which Way It Goes....And Once Again, As It Always Is; "It's An Entire Learning Process" Taken One Step At A Time Until It Becomes Easier With Each Time It's Done. AND I No Longer Make MISTOOKS ..
I'm Taling ZIRO...
Quite Frankly, Just Based Upon My Own Experiences;
It's My Belief That Far To Many Restrictions Are Put On The Children, As It Tends To
Delay The Taking On Of Responsibilities & Increases The Time It Takes To Mature Along With Reducing Their Creativity. .. Even Young Kids Need To Be Free To Make Their Own Choices And Learn From The Results. Not Much Difference Than When They Become Adults, But Begin Learning Sooner....And BTW One Hell Of A Lot More Fun Too..
~~ But Lest We Forget,~~ Be Held Responsible No Matter Which Way It Goes....And Once Again, As It Always Is; "It's An Entire Learning Process" Taken One Step At A Time Until It Becomes Easier With Each Time It's Done. AND I No Longer Make MISTOOKS ..
I'm Taling ZIRO...
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Probably best avoided for your career sake, but likely not unheard of (for NCOs outside the chain of command at least). Any Officer would be risking his career to do so.
I know this can be a bit more lax on the National Guard side, but still not encouraged or flaunted.
I know this can be a bit more lax on the National Guard side, but still not encouraged or flaunted.
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In the AF it is legal for NCOs to date/marry Airmen, but it can get tricky because of unprofessional relationships...which is definitely a grey area. People in the same unit dating would be frowned upon big time. On another note, I've known quite a few people who were married officer/enlisted because one of them got their commission after they were married. A few years ago a Chief (E-9) I knew retired because his wife made her star. At that point, there was for all intensive purposes no way for them to be stationed together and not be in the same reporting chain. (I wish I had their retirement, she ended up retiring as a 2 star.)
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Your an HR specialist / 42 series. Aren't you supposed to be a SME on that issue?
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Yes and no. I'm asking because it seems to be ok in certain circumstances. There is a LT who is married to a SSG. A 1SG married to a SGT. Yet people question me. I do know the regulation, but it doesn't seem to be enforced. I just wanted some additional input is all.
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just like when the policy changed in 97-98 giving officers and enlisted a certain amount of time to get married or end the relationship, the same is in effect for enlisted of different ranks Nov 2015 is the date. This was briefed by the SMA a few months ago.
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I would agree that it tends to be more lax on the reserve side. Probably because we see everyone 2 days a month, 3 wks a summer or if deployed. Technically, No to Officers and Enlisted. Be careful with in the unit as well. Obviously not in the chain of command. Personal opinion: if it isn't effecting work, morale and causing issues then I don't sweat it. No PDA for obvious reasons, especially on duty. Soldier side: no is the safer bet. Human side: you can't help who you fall for, just be smart about it. I once had a CPT give myself and another Soldier a class while at AT in Panama. First words out of his mouth were that he was married to a Private. I was thinking that I didn't care (not in a disrespectful manner) but in the aspect that I didn't personally know either one except for him instructing this class so I had no idea why he would announce this to the class
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I will say it like this we do not choose who we love regardless of the rank but if you are professional with it while at work or on post then yes I think it is acceptable. You also might want to follow the guidelines and letting your chain know. From my point of view just be happy.
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