Posted on Jul 25, 2014
Coast Guard / Navy....Please enlighten me as to what vessels you consider a ship? or a boat?
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I used to hear this argued a lot when I was stationed at Guantanamo Bay and working with Navy personnel.....clear up the confusion please!!
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A ship can carry a boat, but a boat can never carry a ship. Ships operate in oceanic areas and high seas, where boats are typically confined to lakes, rivers or near the coastline. A mode of water transport that weighs at least 500 tonnes or above is categorized as a ship. The only exception to this is a submarine. Submarines were originally carried by ships and were therefore classified as a boat.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
Best response to that question that I have seen in sometime PO2 Corrin Keeler. Now I have a question for you --- why does your profile say that you are in the Army? :-)
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PO1 Bernard Lyons
i BELIEVE A MARINE VESSEL IS NOT CONSIDERED A SHIP UNLESS IS AT LEAST 90 FEET IN LENGTH which requires Captain's Cerifications.
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If it's a submarine, it's a boat. If it's not a submarine, it's a target.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
The amazing thing is, and it has happened many times, is we sit on a submarine, sometimes for hours, sometimes for days and call in the contact. After a long, long time our ship is told to stop pursuit, break off and go away from the region. No explanation, just go away. We do as ordered and a few weeks later get a picture of the ship in the crosshairs of a periscope picture. Well, that picture is always taken AFTER we are told to go away, not before. Target, AYE!
BTW, I have ridden Submarines during exercises and noted when we were caught. Not pleasant at all. Surface Ships have come a long way and so have Subs. I, for one am very thankful we "play" with each other AND are on the same side. I used to think ASW on Knox Class was good, now I know what Aegis can do.
BTW, I have ridden Submarines during exercises and noted when we were caught. Not pleasant at all. Surface Ships have come a long way and so have Subs. I, for one am very thankful we "play" with each other AND are on the same side. I used to think ASW on Knox Class was good, now I know what Aegis can do.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
This is another example of a Target Hunter in today's Navy. We were often told to go away and break off pursuit we were probably chasing a "whale" even though our STs did not agree. (SHIP)
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PO1 (Join to see)
1LT Sandy Annala American Airborne ASW operators are falling behind, there are others out there that are much better. Also, can't tell if that diagram is a P-3 or an IL-38. The resolution is too low to read the Russian.
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PO1 Bernard Lyons
MSgt (Join to see) - BUT, you "BUBBLECHASERS" WERE TARGETS FOR MY sQUADRONS, VP-21 & VP-48 SUBHUNTERS!
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PO1 (Join to see)
I think you're reaching a little there 1SG (Join to see) . IMHO, the boatette, is completely overpowered, undermanned, and probably waaaayyy too far from the pier (note the lack of an electrical extension cord).
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One of my Captains famously said "if you don't want to call our ship a boat go ahead, people on boats don't get Sea Pay. I guess you don't want your Sea Pay?" No Captain I am definitely on A ship! Also not all Coast Guard cutters hug the coast. I have Order of Magellan for going around the world on Coast Guard cutter.
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I was originally told that "A ship can carry a boat, but a boat cannot carry a ship." With the advent of heavy lift vessels, the absolutism of that definition no longer carries. (Submariners have always been a bit odd, so we really just let them go their own way. I think it has something to do with listening to too much cetacean gossip.........) *grin*
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Well, let me add to the conversation. The picture shows a ship & a boat. The ship in question is the USS Anchorage (LPD-23). The boat in the picture is being carried and is probably one of two, carried on the port and starboard side. In the picture, the starboard Rigid Hull Inflatabe Boat (RHIB) is just aft of the air intake and immediately below one of the exhaust stacks.
Hopefully, even for you non-Navy pukes, this should be perfectly clear and understandable.
Hopefully, even for you non-Navy pukes, this should be perfectly clear and understandable.
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well, MSgt (Join to see) , non-Navy Pogues....just doesn't have the same ring...know what I mean?
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SPC Matthew Birkinbine
There's another boat around the corner from the ship in the water, too. In the foreground. It's maybe a little bigger than the boat you're talking about being carried.
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PO1 (Join to see)
And you are correct - looks like either a water taxi or harbor pilot....with the covered pilot area could be just a RHIB with a cover.
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Here we go..... The original definition of a boat was: "small boat powered by oars or jolly boat".... I will let you google that. Submarines were originally called boats because the first of their types were actually carried on board ships until they were deployed. As time went on the submarines got bigger but nobody in the Navy felt the need to change the terminology - especially those submarine types. So, technically, a submarine (a boat) can and does carry a "jolly boat"......but who's counting?
Riverine craft are boats - by definition. The riverine folks want them called "craft"...but they're boats. Common sense says one should carry an inflatable boat on a riverine craft - so many do.
Riverine craft are boats - by definition. The riverine folks want them called "craft"...but they're boats. Common sense says one should carry an inflatable boat on a riverine craft - so many do.
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CDR Thomas Gatliffe
... and prior to the advent of nuclear power and distillation plants, fresh water had to be so rationed that only sea water showers were permitted so personal hygiene took a hit until back in port, thus the appellation "pig boats" for the diesel boats and earlier.
Use of the term "boat" also depends on the source. Naval aviators always refer to their aircraft carrier as "the boat" when they are deployed aboard with their Group, Squadron, or Detachment but as "the ship" when serving as part of the ship's company.
Use of the term "boat" also depends on the source. Naval aviators always refer to their aircraft carrier as "the boat" when they are deployed aboard with their Group, Squadron, or Detachment but as "the ship" when serving as part of the ship's company.
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The Navy has Ships and the Coast Guard have Boats.
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