Posted on Apr 5, 2015
SSG Christopher K.
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The reason that I ask this is because my unit is deployed to Kuwait right now. Kuwait was reclassified before we got here as a non combat zone. There are many people who were upset about this and just as many who didn't care either way. I have noticed though that many people just say its just a patch it doesn't mean anything (they usually already have one though). So my question again. Is a combat patch just a patch or does it really mean something??
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MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect
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A combat patch means you have been to an area that the U.S. is actively engaged in armed combat or an area where you could be fired upon. Now what does it REALLY mean?
Ok, it means you didn't duck deployment. It means you know what a J-list is. It means you know the feeling of getting off a C-130 or C5 and being scared on what you will see when the door opens. It means there's a possibility you helped plan a deployment and know what you will need and the things you wont need because when you got to your deployed site, you found out there was a bunch of crap that you didn't need you brought with you. It means you have experience. It means you EARNED something.
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SFC Daniel Butler
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Spot on....
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MAJ Karen Wall
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Ditto
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MAJ Karen Wall
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SGT Daniel Erickson
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omg BEAUTIFULY just beautiful put damn there should be a test on that s###
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CSM Brigade Operations (S3) Sergeant Major
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If you are authorized to wear SSI-FWTS it should mean something. Even if you didn't actually participate in "combat" you deployed in support of an operation and in support of your country. If you have multiple SSI-FWTS each one has a different meaning to you, different experiences, different people you interacted with.

You should be proud and wear it proudly!!!
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SSG Rob Cline
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Don't worry about what others think. Just do your job to the best of your abilities.
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SSG Brian Carpenter
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My Combat patches mean the world to me. They mean I went somewhere I didn't know if I was coming home,again. It means I served my country in times if War. It means I took an Oath and proudly and patriotically carried out its meaning to the T. It means others have followed and did the same. It means I will always be a part of this country as only III%ers understand. Now I ask what does yours mean to you?
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Sgt John Earley
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Awesome, love it....i only got to Okinawa but i could have had been shipped to Vietnam.....
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Combat patches: Are they for show or do they really mean something??
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To me, the combat patch more recently labeled the Combat Service Identification Badge only carries the meaning that we allow it to have. I think after 13 years of combat operations, the meaning of the word "combat" and thus the badge as changed several times. For the first couple years I was in, combat patches were rare to see. It meant that those wearing one were around during an elevated time of security and were involved in actions that the rest of us weren't. Then following the attacking on 9/11 which the increase of combat deployments, those without a patch became rare. Now we sit in this weird limbo-isk state where there are still a lot of people walking around with combat patch but maybe just as many without. Personally, I think the combat patch means more to the glory seekers than it does to those of us just trying to do our jobs. The majority of us here aren't looking to considered heroes or anything crazy but yet some in our ranks can't be happy with their performance until they have some sort of patch on their right arm.

Personally, I'm very proud of my combat patch. It was a huge honor to receive the 101st Airborne Division patch as my combat patch. It means I served with some of the best men and women the military has to offer. It also gave me pride because it was the same combat patch my grandfather received on D-1 Day when he when into France on the gliders. But the patch doesn't sum me up. It's merely something that shows I did my job, I did it well and whom I did with.
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I also have met senior leaders and officers that have that "slick sleeve" and have never deployed, yet at the same time, I have worked with many senior NCO's that had the slick sleeve, but also had the CIB or CAB on. And I knew they deployed, they just chose not to wear it, in this particular case I think that person was not wearing it due to not completely being proud of the patch itself, because he was not happy about certain things that happened or what have you.

I myself wear the 89th MP BDE combat patch, as being able to wear multiple combat patches, I wear that one because of the awesome guys I worked with when I was in Iraq. I wear that with pride as one of the soldiers from that BDE gave me his patch to wear. I respect them and everything we went through.

To me, wearing a combat patch is a person's decision. Also, wasn't there something just recently where a unit or BDE was told to take off there combat patches due to newbies feeling "left out" because they didn't have one? What in the world has this army come to?
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Hi Sgt, thanks for your service! I work for the Federal Government as a Manager in Law Enforcement. I also work with a company that caters to our Heroes and provides Our Heroes their own business investment free. Do you know how I can get the word out and share this opportunity? I appreciate any suggestions you can offer, thanks!
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SGT Chester Beedle
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SFC (Join to see) - Just because it's not mandatory to wear it, doesn't mean that you shouldn't wear it. It shows that you sorta kinda did the job of the Army don't you think? A slick sleeve leaves it open to question. A patch means that at the very least the 1SG didn't spend the pat decade dodging deployment by hiding out in places like TRADOC.
True, once the people around you know you, they will learn what you have or haven't done, but that doesn't mean that someone from another company or battalion will.
And it is easier to forgot to put it on the ACUs that you just pulled from the dryer than the sewn on BDUs.
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SFC G2 Operations Ncoic
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Im 50/50 on the topic. Sometimes I go completely slick (remove all badges)and sometimes I don't. Honestly, to me, the stripes on your ASUs mean more than the combat patch itself. Also, if you're a good leader your Soldiers will follow you because your competent and reliable.
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Maj John Bell
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Lions do not need to roar. If your internal assessment of your own value and accomplishment is not enough, no patch will make up for that. If you are awarded a patch and you deserve it, you will wear it with pride, but it will never in and of itself be the source of your pride. It is my experience that those warriors that have really been in a soup sandwich, are the least likely to want to speak about it.
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What an awesome comment sir
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Maj John Bell
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PFC (Join to see) - Thank you, but I probably stole it from some movie, or book. I do know that my Dad had an awesome rack of medals awarded for combat action. He never shared the citations with his kids. He said, "That is a part of my life I do not want my kids to know about, and not a way I want them to remember me." I do know that at his funeral, dozens of men came up to us and made it clear that they would be dead if it weren't for him.
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SGT William Howell
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If you earned a combat patch in Kuwait then it does not mean anything to me. I wouldn't wipe my ass with it. It is not really a "COMBAT" patch. Now a combat patch that was earned in a place that actually has combat means something. I know this statement is going to open a can of worms about support troops, but if you did not support in a combat zone you should not receive a combat patch.
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Maj John Bell
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SGT Mark Estes - As a Marine (who never saw combat) I ask myself why does the Army put so much stuff on their uniform. When I as soldiers, they tell me it builds unit pride and "esprit de corps." To me it seems like a reason for somebody two bar stools down to pick a fight. I use this entire thread as my proof.
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1SG Roland Huson
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Unfortunately, your father’s service didn’t qualify for VFW membership. That’s not snobbery or a swipe at your father’s service. It is a simple fact. The requirements for membership eligibility are laid out in the Congressional Charter (Title 36 USC, Chapter 7A, Sections 111-120). It is Federal Law. We are entrusted to ensure that members inducted are in fact eligible, and failure to do so can cause all kinds of problems. Think IRS tax exempt status as a 501c19 being put in jeopardy. We also work for the benefit of ALL veterans, irrespective of whether they are members or not. Thank you for your and your father’s service.
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PO2 Joseph Lucas
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MCPO (Join to see) What is a Master Chief doing chiming in on an army issue? I was in the Navy and rightly have no input into the issue because, frankly, we don’t have anything like this.
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MCPO Couch Potato
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PO2 Joseph Lucas I've got six years of service in the Army, and I've been a member of various veteran organizations for decades. I've seen the issues that arise.
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So the combat patch in my eyes has two meanings. These meanings won't be found in regulation

SSI-FWTS is one meaning. I normally never vocalize this but this is what I consider when I hear people describe their deployment and they sat on that fob. Could order pizza to their barracks room. Worked in that office. Etc etc.... I don't say this to downplay any means each played a vital role however insignificant an individual may have felt

Combat patch is another.

I wear a combat patch.

That small bit of fabric that is on my shoulder has significant meaning to me, if someone told me it means nothing.... Well I'd have some choice words lacking tact for them.
It is a memory I wear and display to the days of lacing up them boots, throwing on a plate carrier, picking up my rifle and aid bag, and going out for stroll. From patrols simply to go out and look for trouble, or escort a VIP to a meeting, or delivering some sweet American freedom from the skies in a big bellied chinook. Sitting waiting on EOD... Or worse recovery... Being stuck in a mountain sick of MRE so a goat magically appeared on the dinner menu for a BBQ. It's a testimont to the memory of every soldier who was with me, who will remain always with me, until our next final great reunion. Brothers not of blood but will remain the closest relationships we may ever know. Deeper relationships than what we will develop with family and even a spouse. If something like that has no meaning to a person, then they need to get their heads checked.

Like I tell my younger soldiers when they mention deployment patches... It doesn't qualify a person for job profiency nor makes me any better of a soldier than they are. All it means is that I've been fortunate enough to have had such an experience. To be called upon to go do that job. If they're lucky there time will come too.
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MSG Computer Operator 5
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SPC Osin Crowley=Very nicely put. Very well indeed.
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SSG(P) Dan Keene
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Well said Doc, thanks.
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SFC Marcus Belt
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They don't until they do. We've been in two theaters for a VERY long time, and so when I see a SFC or above or a MAJ or above without one, I notice.

What does it mean beyond that? Depends on the individual. Are they competent? Are they pleasant (or at least not unpleasant) to work with?
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SFC Marcus Belt
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I earned mine by crossing the berm into Iraq something like 10 months into my Army career, so one one hand, I take mine for granted as I've essentially had it since I graduated from AIT. That being said, I earned mine after 10 freakin' months in uniform, so again, at a certain point I, and others, may wonder "where've you been hanging out?"
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I agree with you 100% about being in two different but the same conflict for a long time, but at the same time it can be a double edge sword when you don't see a SFC or above or MAJ or above without a patch on the arm. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of high ranking people in the army since 9/11 to present date that been sitting in cush positions ducking and dodging deployments, while you have an E-5 with 14 combat stripes on his ASU. Then you have some individuals out there who choose not to wear the combat patch since it's not mandatory to wear on ACU or new uniform.
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SFC Craig Dalen
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Of course it means something. Many of our Soldiers earned the right to wear a combat patch. We have fought side by side creating a brotherhood in arms. Some have even lost fellow Soldiers fighting for this country and that unit. This shouldn't even be a discussion.
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I've always felt that the term combat patch is misleading. It's more like an overseas service patch than anything else. I was awarded two from Iraq and honorarily given some by the people I've worked with (not authorized for wear, of course). The problem is that you have people going about judging people for being so called "slick sleeves" when the circumstances of being awarded those patches change and change again. Just because you don't have a shiny bit of embroidered velcro under your flag patch does not mean anything much about your service as a soldier.

Also, Hi from Buehring
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My issue with the term combat patch derives from the word combat. If it is truly representative of combat, then why do I - as Air Traffic Control - have one when I am essentially a fobbit? There are other chesticles that people legitimately earn for their actions and experience in combat. They should have the honor of being associated with a combat award, not me. As far as I know, the official term for it IS Overseas Service Patch

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According to the AR 670-1, It's called the "Shoulder Sleeve Insignia - Former Wartime Service" or "SSI–FWTS" If you're talking about the hoop look fastener patch I was thinking you were talking about. Otherwise, the colored ones pictured are called the "Combat Service Identification Badge" AKA CSIB and are worn on your ASUs. (Thanks to SSG Rob Cline for pointing out that one)
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SGT David Emme - The things that people get a stick up their ass about never stops astounding me. You earned em, you wear em. Unless there is some sort of command policy, though I've never seen one.
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SGT Chester Beedle
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I mostly agree... but what do you think when you see a 1SG or SGM/CSM or a LTC or above without one? How did they go so long, during a decade of two conflicts without ever deploying? I understand some MOSs will almost never deploy like that and some people are stuck in positions where they can't, but those sort of should be the exception.
Of course there are also the ones who just don't bother to wear them for whatever reason. Sometimes the same ones who don't wear anything except on maybe a dress uniform. So it doesn't pay to assume!
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MSG Computer Operator 5
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I just can't get into those CSIBs. I only bought one for my DA photo. otherwise, I never wear it.
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SGT William Howell
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SGT (Join to see) - When I was attached to 101st in Iraq they had a command policy that you had to wear the Screaming Eagle as your combat patch. I never took off my 2ACR patch. It has special meaning to me. Luckily we so far from the flag pole nobody cared. That was the only time I ever heard of a policy on what to wear.
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