Posted on Jul 21, 2014
Combat vets how do you feel toward non-combat vets?
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I am a non-combat vet retired in 2004. Never deployed in the first Gulf war, Iraq or Afganistan. My Commander and my Cheif chose to leave me home to care for my wife. Not my choice but I appreciate what they did for us. She was diagnosed with Multiple sclerosis in 2001 and breast cancer in 2003. All of my buddies have deployed and I miss that little connection they have when we all get together. So I wonder is there any animosity by combat vets toward non-combat vets. My buds say I'm one of them it doesn't matter. Don't get me wrong I am proud of my service and have a son serving now. Was just curious. Thank you for any feed back.
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In my 20 years I deployed to several "combat" zones; Somalia, Haiti, Iraq, etc. but never saw actual combat and yes u was infantry. I personally don't care if there is animosity as a lot of soldiers were there but never got in firefights. It just never happened to them.
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Do not sweat it Brother, Earning the right to wear our nations uniforms is honororable. Think of all of the troops you mentored and trained who did go, that is the way of things. Perhaps one day again the combat patches and awards will be rare. When I got in only senior NCO's and officers had them. They seemed different to me at the time, and it was well known that you did not ask them about it. Top was at hamburger hill, he was a fair leader but as hard as nails.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
SSG John Erny , exactly and as mentors and instructors, leaders and peers, we see the result of one coming back home having gone over with lessons we share, knowing there was an impact at some point.
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I served 1983 to 1987 in a time of relative peace. I served in an infantry battalion and had deployed twice overseas. Our unit never saw combat during that time. I sometimes have guilt because we did not do that which we trained continually to do. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but there are times I do. Maybe this is why I want to be a combat correspondent. I don't think it is, I want to tell service member stories as they live them.
I have the utmost admiration and respect for my brothers and sisters, past and present that have had to answer the call.
I have the utmost admiration and respect for my brothers and sisters, past and present that have had to answer the call.
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Cpl (Join to see)
I know exactly what you are saying. Albeit a winger, I made it to the PG, but the first 6 months after the ground offensive. By then, there was nothing but clean up. I always felt I missed out on something.
My son has a little less than a year to go and still hasn't deployed to sand pit. I know he has been volunteering for every deployment and feel sad for him not getting that opportunity either, but happy I don't have to worry about him. And LCpl Steve Wininger I concur with your last sentence whole heartedly.
My son has a little less than a year to go and still hasn't deployed to sand pit. I know he has been volunteering for every deployment and feel sad for him not getting that opportunity either, but happy I don't have to worry about him. And LCpl Steve Wininger I concur with your last sentence whole heartedly.
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MSgt (Join to see)
LCpl Steve Wininger and Cpl (Join to see) Couldn't agree more! I have the utmost admiration and respect for my brothers and sisters, past and present that have had to answer the call.
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Even though I never deployed to the sandbox I would like to think that 2 tours on the DMZ in Korea in the 70s and 80s is close enough to combat. Combat patrols with live ammo, skirting live mine fields and UNDOCCUMENTED fire fights with PRK patrols.
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SFC Boots Attaway
I know SFC Mark Merino but the army does not see it that way or I would have a CIB. LOL
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SFC Boots Attaway
CPT Gregory Wagoner, it used to be until Sept 75 then when the end date for Nam came about Korea was no longer considered a combat zone.
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This is actually a question I have worried about.
I left AD in 2002, after my divorce. I had a one-year old little boy. About a month after separation from the husband, I learned that we were deploying. At that point, my hardship paperwork was already going up the Chain.
Went Guard in 2004. No deployments. In 2006, I volunteered for ANY place overseas. I wound up with...Operation Jumpstart. It was a state-side activation. Pretty cool working with Border Patrol, but definitely not the overseas assignment I requested!
Discharged after tour and enlisted in the OKARNG, who, just deployed to Iraq. Joined an Officer Candidate Program and stayed for two years during college. Deployment? Nope. Tracking a different route right now.
In 2013, joined a unit JUST BACK from TOD, and still wondering how horrible my timing was.
Before I retire, though...I shall DEPLOY!
I left AD in 2002, after my divorce. I had a one-year old little boy. About a month after separation from the husband, I learned that we were deploying. At that point, my hardship paperwork was already going up the Chain.
Went Guard in 2004. No deployments. In 2006, I volunteered for ANY place overseas. I wound up with...Operation Jumpstart. It was a state-side activation. Pretty cool working with Border Patrol, but definitely not the overseas assignment I requested!
Discharged after tour and enlisted in the OKARNG, who, just deployed to Iraq. Joined an Officer Candidate Program and stayed for two years during college. Deployment? Nope. Tracking a different route right now.
In 2013, joined a unit JUST BACK from TOD, and still wondering how horrible my timing was.
Before I retire, though...I shall DEPLOY!
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LCpl Steve Wininger
SGT (Join to see) Keep trying and hold your head up. At my age they wont take me in the service, so I am trying a different route. Good luck, and keep reaching for your goal.
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SSgt (Join to see)
I agree with SFC Jason Bautista deploying is over rated. In retrospect I'm glad I deployed to Iraq. However I will say that deploying can be a huge Arse pain. Especially when you have to take classified or firearms through TSA. Holey Moley!
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LCDR (Join to see)
I met a flag officer whose opinion was that no one should volunteer for a deployment, which shocked me. In her mind, the personal sacrifice was not worth it. It's difficult to keep a relationship alive, but professionally the growth that you experience is unparalleled. I learned that I was more able to stay calm in challenging situations than I thought I would be because I didn't have a choice.
If you have any say about where you would go, I'd strongly recommend getting the incumbent's info (or their predecessor) to ask about the job and security. For me, the people can make or break the experience. In deployed locations, there is a HIGH rate of turnover, so whether the people there at that time were amazing or awful, it's likely that there are new people.
If you have any say about where you would go, I'd strongly recommend getting the incumbent's info (or their predecessor) to ask about the job and security. For me, the people can make or break the experience. In deployed locations, there is a HIGH rate of turnover, so whether the people there at that time were amazing or awful, it's likely that there are new people.
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I served in combat and I never had a problem with non-combat vets, with a couple exceptions. Deployment dodgers who continued to get promoted while everyone else deployed and they stayed home for whatever reason and somehow were now outranked much better and experienced NCOs and officers. The other is the gung ho newbie who is far to ignorant to understand that most of it takes to be successful on a deployment is teamwork, not false bravado. I would rather they work on becoming tactically and technically proficient than tell me how much our unit would have been if they were able to go because they are the baddest thing to ever wear combat boots. The rest of the bunch are fine with me as long as they don't try minimizing what my men, woman, and I endured during our time in the box.
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SFC (Join to see)
What do we call them?... "Cherry" lol Jk jk. Just a little humor. I don't want to offend anyone. Â Anyone in uniform its not if its when they deploy in these times. Even if they never deploy at least they have the backbone to step to the plate and volunteer to serve. Its no easy task doing that alone.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
I was thinking of another word SFC (Join to see) for the avoidance crowd - alternate word for cat!
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My dad did 20 years in the Navy and never saw combat. I did 7 in the Army and saw 2 deployments is he any less of a vet than I am no because in the end we both scarified. In my opinion I believe that he sacrificed more than I did.
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To me as long as they honorably served a veteran is a veteran. Can't always pick your duty stations or deployments. We have had this discussion many of time at my VFW post. You have to served on foreign soil or waters during a hostile period. And it can be heated at times. But just the same I have the same respect for a non combat veteran. Just with a Combat vet I can understand the hell and pain we mentally went through as well as the physical to certian degrees. Thank God I still have all my arms and legs. I'm fortunate!
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SFC Jason Bautista
a veteran is a veteran...but I do believe, just because someone was deployed overseas, does not mean they get to pull the combat vet card. Don't get me wrong, anyone from any MOS can get into a TIC. I'm just saying just because someone deployed doesn't mean they were in actual combat.Â
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SFC (Join to see)
SFC Bautista I agree I repect someone with a CIB, Silver or Bronze stars hell even AARCOMS for doing their jobs saving asses a lot more. BUt a veteran is a veteran just with different stories. I mean they didn't hand out the S-1 paper cut medals lol
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SFC (Join to see)
Oh and the worst NCO I met in my military career 1SG Richard Bluhe was a non combat veteran (during a Army at war) at my last duty station. I feel he just didn't understand the stresses one faces in combat. How he made the E7 and E8 selection process I'll never know. Must of had a man on the inside.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
SFC (Join to see) , he had time to go to PME and probably civilian education to fatten the file and supposed qualifications.
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I felt quilty about people having to deploy while I served in danger spots like Oklahoma City and Des Moines, IA. I submitted a 4187 requesting to go but was told that I was going to stay where I was. It has always bothered me a little...makes me feel like should have done more.
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SFC Boots Attaway
To deploy was just one of the reasons I went back in after 20+ years out but they made me stay back both times my unit deployed. Now I know how a child feels when the whole family goes to the zoo but they have to stay home.
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SPC (Join to see)
very true but we cannot help but play with the hand we're Given I still have the utmost respect for people willing to put on the uniform and do the work that needs to be done
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LTC Hillary Luton
MSG Brad Sand That really is dangerous. Oklahoma City? Des Moines? How did you survive? ;-) Seriously, you did your job. There is no need to feel any guilt. I've noticed that many who work hard and are dedicated, often feel they have not done enough or could have done more. Trust me, you did enough.
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MSG Brad Sand
LTC Hillary Luton
LOL. Yes I was able to make it through but after Columbus, OH. it was just too much and I had to retire.
I wish I could have done more but I also remember that it is not about me, we go and do what we are told.
LOL. Yes I was able to make it through but after Columbus, OH. it was just too much and I had to retire.
I wish I could have done more but I also remember that it is not about me, we go and do what we are told.
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There should not be stupid distinctions like combat and non-combat when you are talking about veterans. These separators serve no purpose except to put one group above another group. We are all veterans, period.
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