Posted on Nov 4, 2014
Concealed carry for all current service members (CAC holders)?
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Should uniformed military be allowed to conceal carry any were in the U.S. with a CAC as a license due to increased threats to military personnel?
Concealed Carry
Firearms and Guns
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2nd Amendment
Posted 11 y ago
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Yes, absolutely . How I can protect the nation and not myself should not be a question, period.
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I'd say go for it and lets not forget the retired soldiers! And if you guys read about the recent incident at the Groton, CT subbase, I'd say get the civilian DON cops back to the firing range!!
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No doubt about it. Everyone who can carry legally should. Military or not.
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Capt Richard I P.
Sgt Philip Edwards I created a new discussion to post the outcome of advice from this answer, a skeleton letter to congress for anyone to use, check it out here:
http://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces
http://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces
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I would love to have the option to open carry or concealed carry on base. I recognize that there are alot of issues that this brings up, but I really believe that the benefits outweight the cost. How much loss of life could have been prevented? I think that if the mlitary branches could get together and come up with a standard license, and stricter training requirments across the board, we could find a way to make this happen. Why can we not be trusted to carry on base, while not on duty, but we can carry a military issued weapon while on watch/duty? Let us protect each other, ourselves and our families.
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LS2 (SW) Nichols
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LS2 (SW) Nichols
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Capt Richard I P.
PO2 (Join to see) Could you take a look at the 10 point recommendation to detail what we're thinking about using as broad policy recommendations, see if they capture your concerns, if not, please give us some suggested edits on the comment.
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it would actually be a blessing and a curse or that's how i might see it because it would be good for military personnel to carry concealed firearms only potential downfall to it is that the mental state of the soldier sailor airman or marine you're giving it to i think evaluations would be necessary before issuing service members firearms to conceal
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Capt Richard I P.
SN Brian Riter Could you take a look at the 10 point recommendation to detail what we're thinking about using as broad policy recommendations, see if they capture your concerns, if not, please give us some suggested edits on the comment.
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Maybee if we give all the crazy military people a concealed permit domestic violence and rape would go down, but i bet murder would go way up...
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Capt Richard I P.
SPC Jason Kelly Murder is premeditated unlawful killing. I disagree, and think it would actually go down. Could you take a look at the 10 point recommendation to detail what we're thinking about using as broad policy recommendations, see if they capture your concerns, if not, please give us some suggested edits on the comment.
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No. That's just dumb. Just because a service member has a CAC doesn't mean they know how to use a handgun properly. How many people in the Air Force or Navy regularly handle firearms? What about chaplains. Let's make common sense a little more common.
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LTC (Join to see)
Being a service member who has taken three CC classes in three different states; I am confident even a Seaman or Airman has more experience and can be more trusted than your rank and file civilian working to get a gun. Any Chaplain who wants a gun probably is good too; hell hath no fury!
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MAJ Philip Crabtree
After serving near people (NCO and officer), who are supposedly trained in both firearms safety and their lethal employment and who go on to have negligent discharges with everything from 9mm to 40mm grenades launched from an MK19 into barracks, I'm convinced that a CAC should not be the authorization to carry concealed or open. I'm a huge advocate of carrying. I carry when not prohibited. Unfortunately, I also read the Serious Incident Reports at our installation, and it's not pretty. Am I in favor of service members carrying at work and on military installations? Yeah. I'm in favor of everyone carrying everywhere if they so desire. It's a Constitutional right that we defend to this day. Even Revolutionary War era militias required periodic training on personal firearms. How will a CAC ensure proficiency is maintained or even met? As far as I'm concerned, there are better ways.
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MAJ Philip Crabtree
Capt Richard I P. you may want to clean up #6 (I think that's right). If a service is on a military installation, he is also on government property. Requiring the sidearm to be double locked seems to defeat the purpose of carrying or making the SA pistol an inspectable item. I offer that regardless of my opinion of your proposal overall.
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Capt Richard I P.
MAJ Philip Crabtree Sir, thanks for the input, if you like, check out the other thread http://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces to see the skeleton letter to congress.
Arm the Armed Forces! | RallyPoint
The outcome of the discussion "Concealed carry for CAC holders?" by [~222148:SGT Bernard Boyer III]. Below follows my skeleton letter to congress, based on the edits RP members have suggested to the 10 points. Anyone and everyone is welcome to edit and personalize the letter for their own use in writing to their congressional representatives. We sent a mass email on 3 January, the swearing in of the new congress, now it's a free for all. You...
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As I mentioned earlier about contacting the Illinois State Police who oversees the CCW and retired police officer conceal carry, here is what I was looking for.
"As military you would get 8 hours of credit towards the 16 hours. You
would only qualify as law enforcement if you were given the equivalent of
federal agent training as an MP. If you did not carry a weapon 24/7 no
matter if you were on base or not then you would most likely not qualify
for the full exemption."
Respectfully,
Illinois State Police
Firearms Services Bureau
Concealed Carry Unit
"As military you would get 8 hours of credit towards the 16 hours. You
would only qualify as law enforcement if you were given the equivalent of
federal agent training as an MP. If you did not carry a weapon 24/7 no
matter if you were on base or not then you would most likely not qualify
for the full exemption."
Respectfully,
Illinois State Police
Firearms Services Bureau
Concealed Carry Unit
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Capt Richard I P.
SFC Andrew Heil that sounds pretty frustrating, Illinois is supposed to be one of the least free states for gun rights.
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PO2 (Join to see)
a gun is a tool, it only makes sense to get proper training in the use of that tool. having a cac does not grant you that training, neither does being on active duty. marines might live and die with their weapons but most of us take 2 hours on the range and do a ton of walking around with one on watch. that is not proper training for walking in the real world with one.
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Yes. Even in a small town, it would help if the NG boys are able to conceal carry with their CAC as licenses. I believe it would help a lot.
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