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From: Army Times
No one disputes that Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, served with the National Guard in a combat zone.
So the recent round of questions about whether she counts as a "combat veteran" has made more than a few former service members uncomfortable and upset.
But they aren't necessarily surprised.
"This kind of stuff has been going on for generations," said Phil Carter, director of veterans programs at the Center for a New American Security. "We've seen conversations about peacetime service as opposed to wartime service. We've seen veterans from different wars trade stories about who had it tougher.
"But so few people have an appreciation for what military service is that these arguments start to take on a controversial quality about what 'counts' as service."
Earlier this month, the Huffington Post questioned Ernst's characterization of herself as a "combat veteran," noting she had not been involved in a firefight during her 14-month Middle East deployment.
The Iowa Guard lieutenant colonel commanded the 1168th Transportation Company during the 2003-04 deployment, overseeing transportation runs in Kuwait and southern Iraq and running a protection detail in Kuwait.
She touted her "combat veteran" status in numerous campaign stops during the mid-term elections last year, and noted in response to the recent criticism that both Veterans Affairs and Defense Department guidelines classify her as one.
Fellow Senate Armed Services Committee colleague Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — himself a Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war — called Ernst a combat veteran "by any definition."
"Malicious claims to the contrary denigrate not only her service, but that of countless current and former service members who served honorably in a range of roles in our military," he said in a statement.
Carter echoed that sentiment, noting that honoring only certain kinds of military service — in this case, battlefield fighting — risks alienating other troops who have served honorably.
"There's always someone harder than you," he said. "There's always someone who has seen more combat, or had tougher tours. But that doesn't erase someone's war record."
Since the Ernst piece was published and picked up by other news outlets, most veterans' groups have declined comment on the criticisms, other than to offer official statements saying it's clear the senator served honorably in a designated combat zone.
Mark Seavey, new media manager at the American Legion and an an expert in stolen valor cases, said he worries that criticisms like those leveled at Ernst confuse actual cases in which troops or imposters claim military honors they never earned. Ernst has not claimed any medals or campaign awards beyond her record.
"You don't want to see real crimes get watered down because of some people's semantics about service," Seavey said.
He also sees the continued buzz over the issue as underscoring the lack of understanding by many civilians about what the recent wars were really like.
"I can't think of a place, the entire time when I was in Afghanistan, where I thought, 'Wow, I feel really safe here,' " he said. "Everyone who has served over there was in a dangerous area.
"A minuscule number of individuals ... were involved in firefights. But it's still a combat zone."
http://www.armytimes.com/story/veterans/2015/02/19/ernst-combat-veteran-criticism/23666043/
No one disputes that Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, served with the National Guard in a combat zone.
So the recent round of questions about whether she counts as a "combat veteran" has made more than a few former service members uncomfortable and upset.
But they aren't necessarily surprised.
"This kind of stuff has been going on for generations," said Phil Carter, director of veterans programs at the Center for a New American Security. "We've seen conversations about peacetime service as opposed to wartime service. We've seen veterans from different wars trade stories about who had it tougher.
"But so few people have an appreciation for what military service is that these arguments start to take on a controversial quality about what 'counts' as service."
Earlier this month, the Huffington Post questioned Ernst's characterization of herself as a "combat veteran," noting she had not been involved in a firefight during her 14-month Middle East deployment.
The Iowa Guard lieutenant colonel commanded the 1168th Transportation Company during the 2003-04 deployment, overseeing transportation runs in Kuwait and southern Iraq and running a protection detail in Kuwait.
She touted her "combat veteran" status in numerous campaign stops during the mid-term elections last year, and noted in response to the recent criticism that both Veterans Affairs and Defense Department guidelines classify her as one.
Fellow Senate Armed Services Committee colleague Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — himself a Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war — called Ernst a combat veteran "by any definition."
"Malicious claims to the contrary denigrate not only her service, but that of countless current and former service members who served honorably in a range of roles in our military," he said in a statement.
Carter echoed that sentiment, noting that honoring only certain kinds of military service — in this case, battlefield fighting — risks alienating other troops who have served honorably.
"There's always someone harder than you," he said. "There's always someone who has seen more combat, or had tougher tours. But that doesn't erase someone's war record."
Since the Ernst piece was published and picked up by other news outlets, most veterans' groups have declined comment on the criticisms, other than to offer official statements saying it's clear the senator served honorably in a designated combat zone.
Mark Seavey, new media manager at the American Legion and an an expert in stolen valor cases, said he worries that criticisms like those leveled at Ernst confuse actual cases in which troops or imposters claim military honors they never earned. Ernst has not claimed any medals or campaign awards beyond her record.
"You don't want to see real crimes get watered down because of some people's semantics about service," Seavey said.
He also sees the continued buzz over the issue as underscoring the lack of understanding by many civilians about what the recent wars were really like.
"I can't think of a place, the entire time when I was in Afghanistan, where I thought, 'Wow, I feel really safe here,' " he said. "Everyone who has served over there was in a dangerous area.
"A minuscule number of individuals ... were involved in firefights. But it's still a combat zone."
http://www.armytimes.com/story/veterans/2015/02/19/ernst-combat-veteran-criticism/23666043/
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 52
Criticism raised by members of the media who themselves have never served a day in uniform? These people need to get a life!
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SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD
The only combat these reporters have seen, or will ever see, is around the water cooler.
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I am not a fan of Senator Joni Ernst, R-Iowa. However, as a Marine and Vietnam Veteran she is as much a combat veteran as I am. I did not earn a Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) no did I fire a shot at the enemy. I saw combat all around me from my duty station at Force Logistics Command, Camp Books, which is located about eight miles NW of DaNang. My MOS did not require me to go outside the wire very often, but when it did, I did. I saw firefights in the hills all around me. I saw bombing runs by A4's and F4's in the hills all around me all the time. I will defend her as a Combat Veteran just as much as I would defend my time served. We all did our duty and what was required from us on a daily basis. SEMPER FI!
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SSG John Bacon
I completely agree Sgt Jay Jones , I served in Iraq for 3 Tours and 1 in Saudi Arabia and never fired a shot, I was on the receiving end of many rocket and mortar attacks. Although nothing "close enough" to receive a CAB. Does this mean that I am not a combat veteran. I served 4 tours in in combat zones where my life was placed in jeopardy to complete my mission, had the luck of the draw been against me I would have laid down my life in the service of my country. I sure enough broke my body during those combat tours.
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If she served in a combat area, she is a combat veteran. This is really a moot subject. Of course she is. Good for her and I'm glad she made it back.
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SGT (Join to see)
This kind of falls in line with when Vietnam vets tried to join the DAV, American Legion, and the VFW, we were not accepted because the "real vets" fought in WWII and Korea, and RVN vets weren't really in a war. BTW, Korean vets were barley accepted as being in a war. And that's the fact Jack.
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Well, according to the VFW Charter, even service in the Korean DMZ qualifies for membership. Sometimes I have issues with going to those places and see more social members accepted than actual vets. I have a friend, who was my NCO who did 3 years in Korea, DMZ, and was not accepted. He still put on the uniform and risked his neck.
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I just don't understand something like that. One time at the VA an elderly man and woman came in the clinic. The woman was pushing the gentleman in a wheelchair. The gentleman had a Korean cap on. They sat next to me. We started talking, and his wife said he fought in Korea and Vietnam and had a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts. I told them they could a motorized chair from the VA for free. She told they tried that but were told.. Get this, but he didn't qualify. I couldn't believe what I heard. If anyone qualified, you would think he would be a shoe in.
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It is not that she could and the critics couldn't serve, it is that she DID serve and they didn't.
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Deployed to service in a combat zone, you are a combat veteran. Tired of seeing media pundits whom have never served in any capacity looking to sully the Senator's reputation. Walk a mile in her boots.
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She deployed to a combat zone, did her duty, and what more? Remarks from those who never had the guts or sense of duty to serve?
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Joni Earnst is, by any definition, a combat veteran. She commanded a transportation company with the IA ARNG and led many missions into Southern Iraq during the initial push in 2003. Her mission was changed about 3/4 of the way through her company's deployment and they began to provide base security.
Her company put on @300,00 miles and over 400 misisons delivering anything and everything forward. Did her units vehicles get shot at? Absoutely. Did they stop what they were doing and return fire? No. Their mission wasn't to engage the enemy, but to get material from point A to B. The fact that no one was injured seriously or killed in the 14 months the unit was deployed is a miracle and irrelevant and to me speaks to her tactical proficiency. She led her troops into battle in every sense of the phrase.
Her company put on @300,00 miles and over 400 misisons delivering anything and everything forward. Did her units vehicles get shot at? Absoutely. Did they stop what they were doing and return fire? No. Their mission wasn't to engage the enemy, but to get material from point A to B. The fact that no one was injured seriously or killed in the 14 months the unit was deployed is a miracle and irrelevant and to me speaks to her tactical proficiency. She led her troops into battle in every sense of the phrase.
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Deployed to area in support of combat operations = combat vet.
Let us not take away from our brothers and sisters of the details of it all.
End of the day, I signed, you signed, she signed the same line. Stood on line, and then put our lives on it.
Let us not take away from our brothers and sisters of the details of it all.
End of the day, I signed, you signed, she signed the same line. Stood on line, and then put our lives on it.
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Right on ! Whether combat or non-combat, we are all brothers and sisters for signing up and serving.
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She deployed to a combat zone and performed her mission. She is a combat veteran case closed.
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She raised her right hand. She went. She's patched. The luck of the draw placed her in one place verses another. That's how it goes. She was amongst the few who went into a combat zone and rolled the dice when so many more went to the mall and shopped.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Amen. Sometimes you get the dirt cop and burning poo, sometimes you get the gym and baskin Robbins.
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