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Posted on Dec 7, 2014
Dangers in telling your children explicit details of war stories!
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A parent that tell every specific and explicit details of the trauma, especially when not age appropriate, can cause the child to develop high anxiety, distress, depression and PTSD symptoms in response to the detailed images that were given.
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There's a reason most war veterans don't talk to those who haven't "been there, done that" - because there's absolutely NO point of reference for those who have never experienced the horrors to even begin to understand. Each veteran's story within them is a personal one - telling children that story when they are children is a bad idea, no matter what the shrinks, etc. say. Time and Place.
'Nuff said.
'Nuff said.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis. Unless there is an awfully good reason to go into the details, I would keep any discussion on the most superficial level . . . and if there is a good reason to go into significant detail with someone . . . whether family member or therapist . . . I would make certain they are actively engaged with a therapist to be able to process any concerns.
Veterans who have somewhat similar experiences may be able to handle more . . . but even then one must be careful to watch their expression and listen carefully to their words for any signs of their distress. Medical procedures particularly mascal experiences may need to be shared with people who will handle similar situations but even then presentation must be carefully paced for the sake of your students. There are lessons to be learned . . . and some of those lessons are best kept for others who must assess whether they really seriously want to work in your field and to prepare for work. Otherwise I would question the wisdom of sharing any but the most superficial details. Warmest Regards, Sandy
Veterans who have somewhat similar experiences may be able to handle more . . . but even then one must be careful to watch their expression and listen carefully to their words for any signs of their distress. Medical procedures particularly mascal experiences may need to be shared with people who will handle similar situations but even then presentation must be carefully paced for the sake of your students. There are lessons to be learned . . . and some of those lessons are best kept for others who must assess whether they really seriously want to work in your field and to prepare for work. Otherwise I would question the wisdom of sharing any but the most superficial details. Warmest Regards, Sandy
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis. I do understand in principle. But, the closest I would ever get to discussing details with my own daughter would be to give her the China Beach Series . . . and ask her to watch the Through and Through Episode about PTSD effects on nurses of my generation. The likelihood of discussing triage, surgery, etc is remote. That she knows I was a nurse in a war is enough. Warmest Regards, Sandy
CMDCM Gene Treants
My father NEVER talked about his WWII experiences to us when we were children. I do remember one time a buddy of his, who was also in the Battle of the Bulge, came to our house. The kids were told to leave the area so that they could talk and we did. After his buddy left my father was morose for a while,but then got back to his normal cheerful self.
After I had been in the Navy for a few years, my dad and I had a long talk about his service and what he had seen and experienced. I then realized it was nothing he ever needed to share with a child. Combat, real combat, is something you only discuss with people on active duty or other veterans, people who can understand and not judge. After our talk I understood why he never wanted me or my brother to go into Army.
After I had been in the Navy for a few years, my dad and I had a long talk about his service and what he had seen and experienced. I then realized it was nothing he ever needed to share with a child. Combat, real combat, is something you only discuss with people on active duty or other veterans, people who can understand and not judge. After our talk I understood why he never wanted me or my brother to go into Army.
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SGT Graham "Tom" Town
I have never discussed specific details of my experiences with my Daughter or either of my Boys. There is quite enough out there, and everyone has different memories...best let them rest in peace.
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I have stories that I haven't told my WIFE yet, much less my children. I guess I am having a hard time understanding why anyone would tell all the gory details to a child. My children know I was in a war. They know it was dangerous. But they also knew that daddy was well-trained and would do the right thing.
Until they are adults or perhaps a bit earlier if they consider joining, they don't need to know much more than that.
Until they are adults or perhaps a bit earlier if they consider joining, they don't need to know much more than that.
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I have never nor will I ever go into specific details of any combat events, situations, or engagement with my children, be they children or adult. There is no way for them to relate to what I would be saying other than to TV/movies and that's just that...TV/Movies. They would not be able to fully grasp or understand the emotions involved. Which is why I have never talked about it with anyone, other than with those who "have" experienced themselves.
I've been asked what was it like by my sons and daughters, and I've taken time to sit down with them and explain that no matter how I put it into words they would not be able to fully understand the feelings I and others who have been there have experienced.
Some may say, I'm keeping these feeling repressed and closed in. I say, you're right. I felt it, I lived it, it's mine and I keep it to myself. I do not have PTSD, mood swings, no depression. I don't have nightmares, so I call myself fortunate compared to the so many who do have the issues I just mentioned. do I ever think about it, yes, but usually triggered by something I read, see on TV or when a few of us get together.
I have one son in the Navy and one who is getting ready to join either the Army or the Navy. Hopefully neither one of them will have to experience what many of us have seen and done. But if so and then they wish to talk, I will be there to listen, relate and help as much as I can. But fortunately that time has not come and I hope it never does....for them.
I've been asked what was it like by my sons and daughters, and I've taken time to sit down with them and explain that no matter how I put it into words they would not be able to fully understand the feelings I and others who have been there have experienced.
Some may say, I'm keeping these feeling repressed and closed in. I say, you're right. I felt it, I lived it, it's mine and I keep it to myself. I do not have PTSD, mood swings, no depression. I don't have nightmares, so I call myself fortunate compared to the so many who do have the issues I just mentioned. do I ever think about it, yes, but usually triggered by something I read, see on TV or when a few of us get together.
I have one son in the Navy and one who is getting ready to join either the Army or the Navy. Hopefully neither one of them will have to experience what many of us have seen and done. But if so and then they wish to talk, I will be there to listen, relate and help as much as I can. But fortunately that time has not come and I hope it never does....for them.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
1SG McPherson:
Respectfully I put this topic out their as an Army Chaplain and a member of a family that has served in every war. I was able to obtain the education and gain the awareness.
Twin studies contribute to our understanding of the genetic etiology of PTSD in the following ways:
–Genetic factors influence exposure to a potentially traumatic event
–Genetic influences explain a substantial proportion of vulnerability to PTSD even after accounting for genetic influences on trauma exposure
–Genetic influences on PTSD overlap with those for other mental disorders.
–Provide important information regarding possible biological “endophenotypes,” or intervening phenotypes
Respectfully I put this topic out their as an Army Chaplain and a member of a family that has served in every war. I was able to obtain the education and gain the awareness.
Twin studies contribute to our understanding of the genetic etiology of PTSD in the following ways:
–Genetic factors influence exposure to a potentially traumatic event
–Genetic influences explain a substantial proportion of vulnerability to PTSD even after accounting for genetic influences on trauma exposure
–Genetic influences on PTSD overlap with those for other mental disorders.
–Provide important information regarding possible biological “endophenotypes,” or intervening phenotypes
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
Research has suggested that secondary generations of individuals exposed to traumatic events are likely to experience symptoms consistent with PTSD:
Anger/aggression
Anxiety
Headaches
Breathing difficulties
Intrusive imagery
Heightened sense of vulnerability
Difficulty trusting others
Emotional numbing
Anger/aggression
Anxiety
Headaches
Breathing difficulties
Intrusive imagery
Heightened sense of vulnerability
Difficulty trusting others
Emotional numbing
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@CH (CPT) Heather Davis Ma'm, I think this is one of the best topics we had in some time. I'll read every post made in it. I may not gain as much insight from it as you, however, I do feel it will helpful to all of us who've experienced this in one form or another.
I do not think I will change my current feelings, however, we never know when we might need to pass on some of what you're sharing with us. Much appreciated...well done!
I do not think I will change my current feelings, however, we never know when we might need to pass on some of what you're sharing with us. Much appreciated...well done!
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Thanks for the statement CH (CPT) Heather Davis and I think it transcends 'war stories' to anything graphic, explicit or violent in detail. I am currently dealing with my youngest son who evidently saw something on TV at a friends house having to do with burglars breaking in to a house and harming the occupants. He has experienced several sleepless nights and bad dreams due to this. I've tried several ways of talking to him about this issue and have not found the solution yet that will solve his uneasiness. Children are more impressionable than we give them credit for.
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CPT Richard Riley
I appreciate the additional information and insight. They are always going to be our children & we (I) need to think both long tern and short term when it comes to the solutions one chooses to use. Thank you for giving me another notch on my knowledge belt!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
1SG Michael Blount kids hear it all and see it all, once they do, it can't be undone. Anyone who has ever seen the original "Wolfman" Movie with Lon Chaney, Jr. in the starring role knows how tame it is compared to today's movies. I saw this movie when I was 6 years old and did not get over my fear of the dark for years.
This is tame compared to the stories most Combat Vets can tell about what they have seen and experienced. You have to be very selective in what you say and share.
This is tame compared to the stories most Combat Vets can tell about what they have seen and experienced. You have to be very selective in what you say and share.
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1SG Michael Blount
CMDCM Gene Treants - yah. you're right. and more the pitty. I guess the trick is to portray war as bad enough that kids will think twice before going that route on the one hand and on the other, reducing their fears of going if it gets to that. That's a very fine line
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CMDCM Gene Treants
And thus the conundrum of being both a warrior and a mentor. God luck in your decision and your story telling.
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This reminds of what my daughter tells me when I go play Army. I tell her that I am soldier and I fight the bad guys. She asks if I kill them and I just reply with "I just stop them from doing bad things." She then tells me to only shoot the bad guys and not the good guys.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
Role Transitions and modeling are vital to emotional and psychological development as well as resilience. Intergenerational PTSD impacts role transitions by skewing what is modeled for the peripheral sufferers of PTSD and those caught up in the intergenerational PTSD. They are usually inwardly conflicted between their new normal and what those around them tell them is actually normal. Dr. Bruce Dow describes cognitive dissonance in the following way in an article by stating that, “Cognitive dissonance, first described in 1956 by Festinger, is a psychological state in which one holds two conflicting beliefs at the same time” (Dow, 2012). Without appropriate modeling, which is near impossible and impractical without proper diagnosis and treatment, those suffering either directly from PTSD or indirectly as with Intergenerational PTSD are at a disadvantage in proper role transition.
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No argument CH (CPT) Heather Davis . However, I see absolutely no value in providing our children with in depth knowledge of what we went through.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
I am just bringing awareness on this topic, due to I am an Army Chaplain and Ihave been taking classes that have provided me with insight. Many parents do not intentionally share stories, and many do not understand the generational impact.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
I had uncles in Viet Nam and I remember sitting by them as they talked. I also know that many children from Military families bond with their parents on where they are at. That being said your children emulate your habits, mood swings and speech patterns.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
Children of parents with PTSD have higher risk of emotional, behavioral, academic and interpersonal problems (Lev-Weisel, 2007).The children exhibits more depression, anxiety, aggressiveness, act out, poor attitude towards others, delinquent behavior, hyperactivity, practice self -destructive behavior and have more difficulties forming and maintaining positive relationships.
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PO2 Corey Ferretti
CH (CPT) Heather Davis This is great to know i did not know this. You have some great post on here.
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I myself have difficulty dealing with violence in movies to the point of having sleeplessness for a period of time. Because of this, I rarely watch movies Thant I know are intensely violent. I would never advise sharing every single detail of war that I personally have experienced with anyone who I feel could not handle it, especially younger children.
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I am Glad that I never had to see the Results of my Actions. I can't even imagine the Emotional Trauma. Unfortunately I am aware enough to know what Havoc I have wreaked but without the excess baggage I can share the worst of my actions and hopefully people will think before they try and walk in my footsteps.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
Ancharoff et al. (1998) proposed four manners in which the PTSD symptoms can be transmitted. The first is silence. Silence could originate from the fear of creating discomfort or triggering negative distressing reactions in the survivor. Some may believe that talking about it could make the symptoms worse. When the topic of the trauma and the symptoms becomes a taboo in the family to the extent that no one talks about it at all, discussions about thoughts, emotions and events are avoided. The child does not get any explanation to the parents’ symptoms and therefore the child’s anxiety increases. Children may also worry about their parent’s ability to take care of them. The child worries about the parent’s well being and starts developing his/her own ideas about why the symptoms are present. The child may create an imaginary and horrifying story in his mind of what happened to the parent. A drastic and horrendous story might be woven that could possibly be worse than the actual trauma. By creating imaginary details in one’s mind, the child begins to experience emotions and thoughts that relate to that imagined story.
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I haven't and probably won’t talk to my children about my experiences. This is not because I am ashamed of anything that I have done or that I don’t agree with what has been done or the fact that they might look at me differently, they just wouldn’t understand.
I have spoken with my wife a few times and tried to talk to her about my deployed time however she doesn't understand. There are just some things that are difficult to understand unless you were in that situation. When I am with people that have been there I can talk for hours and listen to their stories, but its because they understand and I don’t have to stop and explain everything. If asked I will engage but I don’t go into details because it just brings more questions.
I have spoken with my wife a few times and tried to talk to her about my deployed time however she doesn't understand. There are just some things that are difficult to understand unless you were in that situation. When I am with people that have been there I can talk for hours and listen to their stories, but its because they understand and I don’t have to stop and explain everything. If asked I will engage but I don’t go into details because it just brings more questions.
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