Posted on Jul 8, 2014
DeAngelo Williams - Good Initiative, Bad Judgement
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Kudos to DeAngelo Williams for giving up his Business Class seat for this 'Marine'!
Another case of Stolen Valor!
http://guardianofvalor.com/deangelo-williams-carolina-panthers-running-back-duped-fake-marine/
Another case of Stolen Valor!
http://guardianofvalor.com/deangelo-williams-carolina-panthers-running-back-duped-fake-marine/
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 17
I contacted TSA through official channels about a year ago suggesting that if a person appears in military dress, and cannot produce a military ID (edited from "CAC" I really meant just some form of military ID), he/she must NOT be allowed to pass through security. If I showed up at the airport in a TSA uniform and had no TSA credentials, would I be allowed to wander around the airport dressed like that? How is that not a security concern? I got no response.
Additionally, Soldiers are generally NOT authorized to wear uniforms to the airport (edited to add: because they are not flying on orders; I had a Soldier tell me once he had "leave orders," um, not official military business there, but nice try. Yes, per LTC Paul Labrador the ASU is authorized, but only on official travel). The latest version of 670-1 makes it more clear. I really wish the airlines would stop being complicit in this. If I show you military ID (<- not edited, got it right the first time and it's what I always meant), good enough; stop insisting I be in uniform. It would also stop clowns like this guy by removing the incentives to masquerade.
Additionally, Soldiers are generally NOT authorized to wear uniforms to the airport (edited to add: because they are not flying on orders; I had a Soldier tell me once he had "leave orders," um, not official military business there, but nice try. Yes, per LTC Paul Labrador the ASU is authorized, but only on official travel). The latest version of 670-1 makes it more clear. I really wish the airlines would stop being complicit in this. If I show you military ID (<- not edited, got it right the first time and it's what I always meant), good enough; stop insisting I be in uniform. It would also stop clowns like this guy by removing the incentives to masquerade.
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SFC Mark Merino
CPT (Join to see) your idea is genius. No air travelling without military ID authorized (unless something has changed)
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PO1 (Join to see)
Miss, your comment is compelling. Under the current Navy instruction the dress and service uniform is authorized. I am unsure about other Branches of Service, but the CAC is a part of the uniform.
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CPT (Join to see)
PO1 (Join to see), I do still see Navy personnel in uniform. But the point is, if you show up in military uniform and you try to go through security, you should be REQUIRED to show military ID. If you cannot, you should be turned away. The CAC is part of the uniform for Army, so if that is true for Navy, this is not a big deal and would be virtually transparent to real service personnel.
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Cpl (Join to see)
Left breast pocket. Same place it should be for our inspections. I agree though, traveling on airlines is a pain because yes the order states that Marines are allowed to travel in dress uniforms except our Blues Alphas (which are authorized only on special occasions such as the ball) but it is said traveling in uniform is a risk due to sky jacking or terrorist attacks. The personnel sticks out to the perpetrator. But the case stands, No military ID then NO uniform.
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OMG!!! WTF!!! My brain just exploded. Nasty little thing this man is. He is jacked up all over the place. Weird devices on the medals, wearing devices not authorized in that configuration, wrong buckle, belts jacked, cover indoors but since he is wearing a cover those gloves should be on too, and nobody travels in dress blue alphas (which he is wearing a combo of alphas and bravos) because its not authorized. Yuck!
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SSG (Join to see)
GySgt (Join to see) i despise these violations myself! We need a new term for these stolen valor fake ____(i will not give them the honor of calling them Marines). I think the new term should be MaWheenies
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1SG Michael Blount
What bothers me about situations like this is it becomes impossible for the general public to tell the real heroes deserving respect and the thanks from their country from the fakes, wannabees and imposters
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Bad judgement?
How can we expect a non military member to see and immediately identify a case of "Stolen Valor"?
How can we expect a non military member to see and immediately identify a case of "Stolen Valor"?
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SGM Matthew Quick
SFC Gilley, it's just a catchy title...DeAngelo Williams did a great thing.
I would never expect a non-military member to know the difference or spot an impostor.
I would never expect a non-military member to know the difference or spot an impostor.
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1SG (Join to see)
I agree SGM Matthew Quick. The title just made me believe that you thought he made a bad decision due to his "bad judgement".
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SGM Matthew Quick
Not at all...I was actually really impressed by the way DeAngelo Williams publicized the gesture; and how he's handling the public backlash for publicizing it.
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SGT Ben Keen
I agree with 1SG (Join to see) on the point that we can't expect civilians to be able to point out "Stolen Valor". That is why we must police our own. Either way, I join SGM Matthew Quick in recognizing the way DeAngelo is handling the situation.
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The law needs to be changed back to allow judges to incarcerate these guys. It's illegal to impersonate a police officer, but if you impersonate a military member that's called "free speech" and you are exercising your rights.
I think it is up to us to police up these scumbags. My first tip off to this guy being a fake would of been his wearing of a cover indoors. As a Marine E-9 he would of known that was a no go. As a professional courtesy I would of started out very discrete (just to verify he was a fake) and turned it into a circus just to watch him sweat and tuck tail and run. These guys are tools and deserve public shaming. They don't learn and will continue impersonating in a new venue.
I think it is up to us to police up these scumbags. My first tip off to this guy being a fake would of been his wearing of a cover indoors. As a Marine E-9 he would of known that was a no go. As a professional courtesy I would of started out very discrete (just to verify he was a fake) and turned it into a circus just to watch him sweat and tuck tail and run. These guys are tools and deserve public shaming. They don't learn and will continue impersonating in a new venue.
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SSG Joshua Locke
back home (cliche i know) if you impersonate a soldier or tell war stories of a war you were never a part of, you get alot more than thrashed, you get your ass physically handed to you. As it should be.
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SSgt (Join to see)
SSG (ret) William Martin SSG Joshua Locke I agree with both of you and cannot understand why it is not illegal. Like our military doesn't deserve the respect. Does anyone know when this changed?
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SSG (ret) William Martin
It's one thing to wear a uniform and tell BS stories that don't belong to oneself and its another thing to wear a uniform to gain benefits like discounts, free shots at Hooters, a free dinner, etc.
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This is why we can't have nice things everyone.
While I'm glad to see DeAngelo Williams try to do nice things, I'm sure he'll think twice before doing it again which is a shame. We live in a world where some idiot like this destroys the public's trust of not just the Marine Corps but in the entire military. I have no doubt that this is the first time this guy has benefited from his false claims.
While I'm glad to see DeAngelo Williams try to do nice things, I'm sure he'll think twice before doing it again which is a shame. We live in a world where some idiot like this destroys the public's trust of not just the Marine Corps but in the entire military. I have no doubt that this is the first time this guy has benefited from his false claims.
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Cpl (Join to see)
SGT Ben Keen I like the Archer Reference, and a uniform like that is how we get ants.
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What DeAngelo Williams did was great, and I doubt that he will think twice when trying to help out another soldier in uniform. In fact, I am proud to see many athletes and celebrities being role models and showing the younger generation different acts of kindness towards those in and out of the service. Players all over the NFL, such as Larry Fitzgerald and Aaron Rodgers are always giving shout outs to those in the Military.
So while this was certainly an impostor. I don't think this will stop the American people from doing what they think is right. Thus, I agree it is our job to police these imposters.
So while this was certainly an impostor. I don't think this will stop the American people from doing what they think is right. Thus, I agree it is our job to police these imposters.
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I have worn my ASU on the plane, no issue, but man the stares and looks, from both veterans and civilians. Due to the fact that we have allowed sub-par travel uniforms (ACU), we have taken the professionalism out of the public eye with regard to how we present ourselves to them these days. But frankly look at civilians now when they travel. Flip Flops, sneakers, shorts, cutoffs, robes, who knows what else, no one travels dressed up anymore like it was back in the day (pre 1990).
I agree with the CPT Wolfer, produce DoD identification active or blue card to the staff at the airport.
I agree with the CPT Wolfer, produce DoD identification active or blue card to the staff at the airport.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
The game shows like to have them and usually rig it where the service member ends up benefiting! I remember as a kid watching the "Price is Right" and that made me want to join the Army! Free recruiting!
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
I remember the guy from the Navy that was on Jeopardy, I believe, for months, no one could beat him. Always wondered how he managed to get that worked out with the Navy.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
Are you kidding? Major P, the Navy was doing all the research and creating the study guides for him!
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LTC Paul Labrador
Typically there is PAO approval if someone is in uniform on something lik a gameshow....
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Its unfortunate that this happens as people savor the moments of recognition and enjoy the benefits of being in the uniform that they do not deserve to wear. I truly do not understand how they can live among themselves knowing they are not in the military. One would think that questions will be asked of them when a service member approaches and starts prying into you.
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