Posted on Jul 12, 2023
Is it standard or even typical as a form of disciplinary action for an NCO to call a soldier's parents to complain about the service member?
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Hello Rallypoint Members!
I have a question regarding disciplinary actions that I have received from my detachment SFC. So I got myself into some trouble with an MP (argued with an MP after having a few beers), not gonna go into great detail (I own the mistakes that I made) but I am confused about one thing that my detachment sergeant has done regarding my disciplinary actions. The day after my altercation with the MP’s, my detachment SFC called me into her office, she informed me about what reprimands I could be facing (which I expected) but she also made me write down my mother and father’s phone numbers and she actually called them to tell them how much of a dirt bag I had been (which I did not expect). I am a grown man and can face the legal and moral repercussions of my own actions but was taken aback to find out that my NCO had called my family to inform them of the mistakes that I had made. Is this standard procedure in the military or even a typical form of disciplinary action for an NCO to make?
Any and all input is appreciated!
Thanks!
I have a question regarding disciplinary actions that I have received from my detachment SFC. So I got myself into some trouble with an MP (argued with an MP after having a few beers), not gonna go into great detail (I own the mistakes that I made) but I am confused about one thing that my detachment sergeant has done regarding my disciplinary actions. The day after my altercation with the MP’s, my detachment SFC called me into her office, she informed me about what reprimands I could be facing (which I expected) but she also made me write down my mother and father’s phone numbers and she actually called them to tell them how much of a dirt bag I had been (which I did not expect). I am a grown man and can face the legal and moral repercussions of my own actions but was taken aback to find out that my NCO had called my family to inform them of the mistakes that I had made. Is this standard procedure in the military or even a typical form of disciplinary action for an NCO to make?
Any and all input is appreciated!
Thanks!
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Responses: 217
Had a Lt do something similar, difference was he didn’t ask me for phone numbers. Don’t know where he got the number from, and dad was PISSED that a commissioned officer felt the need to “tattle tail” to my parents. Dad is a retired CPO in the Navy.
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Wow, call mom and dad to help you discipline their child? What's is this elementary school?
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Not in my day. You're a soldier and you face the consequences of your actions by yourself. Calling your mommy and daddy sounds like a new age thing. But today it's not like the NCO can grab you and set you straight or curse you. Maybe he or she has no recourse but to call mommy and daddy.
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Do you think this tool the place of any UCMJ or other punishment? Like others said, it's a way to get you to fix behavior, and it can definitely be a way to justify less other stuff like taking your money.
Not gonna lie.....it's FUNNY.
Not gonna lie.....it's FUNNY.
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The first thing you are a adult that signed up for active duty in the all volunteer U.S. Army
not a child that can be reported back to their parents for bad behavior problems.
As a adult you are responsible for your actions and I like the way you take that responsibility
in your post wanting to face all repercussions. Your detachment SFC calling your parents to
report your bad actions in a altercation with a MP is out of line on her part. As a NCO it is
her responsibility to deal with problems that occur in the U.S. Army, not civilian parents.
I served on active duty in a different era 1968-1971 and no NCO that I served with would
have called my parents to report any of my bad activity. The punishment would have been
through the U.S. Army. I was a MP in West Germany 1969-1971 and I was in altercations
both verbal and physical with soldiers that had too much of that good German beer.
I know what you are talking about from the MP side. I'll say it again, I like the way you
take responsibility for your own actions. Keep it together and hang in there brother.
not a child that can be reported back to their parents for bad behavior problems.
As a adult you are responsible for your actions and I like the way you take that responsibility
in your post wanting to face all repercussions. Your detachment SFC calling your parents to
report your bad actions in a altercation with a MP is out of line on her part. As a NCO it is
her responsibility to deal with problems that occur in the U.S. Army, not civilian parents.
I served on active duty in a different era 1968-1971 and no NCO that I served with would
have called my parents to report any of my bad activity. The punishment would have been
through the U.S. Army. I was a MP in West Germany 1969-1971 and I was in altercations
both verbal and physical with soldiers that had too much of that good German beer.
I know what you are talking about from the MP side. I'll say it again, I like the way you
take responsibility for your own actions. Keep it together and hang in there brother.
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I think that is an immature thing to do. If he/she can serve in the millitary, they are adults and should be treated as that.
Unless mom/dad was involved in the situation in some DIRECT way, I find no basis for contacting the parents. Going out into the cold, cruel world (especially into a profession where life and death are part of the job description like the USA) makes you a man/woman by design. This modern thing where junior (an adult) comes back home to live with mommy later in life because he cannot cut it in the world was not something that was an option in my day. To my knowledge, we did not do this type of thing in the USAF nor was it taught at the USAF Senior Noncommissioned Academy. You made your mistake, you (maturely, I believe) accepted responsibility, and you acted like an adult man should have acted after screwing up. You deserve your lumps but (unless there is some obscure Army regulation authorizing the type of action taken by the SFC) the SFC deserves corrective action as well. Expectations are based upon rank. To whom much is given, much is required. In my humble opinion the SFC is much more culpable for her action.
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Standard? No. Have I seen it be used very effectively? Yell yes. It's a tool in a leader's toolbox. Consider it like a Ramset. I don't use one every time I need to drive a nail in. It's horribly ineffective as a nailgun. But when I need to drive an anchor into concrete, it's just the thing. Having it in my toolbox has been very helpful at times. But that doesn't mean I use it often.
Now, the manner in which it was used in this case was kind of stupid. But when you have a service member whose family means the world to them, having them call home from the Skipper's office and explain what they've done can be very impactful. If it's done right, the CO can consider the case resolved without needing to actually convict at NJP, or touch the Sailor's pay or rank.
Now, the manner in which it was used in this case was kind of stupid. But when you have a service member whose family means the world to them, having them call home from the Skipper's office and explain what they've done can be very impactful. If it's done right, the CO can consider the case resolved without needing to actually convict at NJP, or touch the Sailor's pay or rank.
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Late to the party, but I notice no one expressed any concern about how a parent might react. In any case, it's intrusive.
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To me it comes down to an informed judgment call. When I would have a very junior sailor who got into trouble, I would talk to them first, and find out what things were important to them in their lives. If the parents came up, I would suggest that they call their mama or papa and tell them what they done and what they could do better. More often than not that led to a success story without me having to apply disciplinary actions at all. A young 18 your old sailor is still a very young adult and is easily influenced by an important person like a mother or father in the in their lives. I was taught very early in leadership training that whenever possible I should attempt to resolve an issue at the lowest possible level - assuming the level and the degree of the offense was within my level of authority. That is a lesson I carried and taught to many many sailors over the years.
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