Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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MSgt Jack Cox
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I understand cadets have not received their commission and haven't taken their oath. I've always treated them with respect at least until I find out who their mother is.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Edited >1 y ago
I know that even a first-year Midshipman is technically senior to any enlisted person, but they have to learn from someone. If they report to any command or even in the Academy, they are wise to listen to Enlisted Leaders. Once they become Ensigns, if they were wise Midshipmen, they then become trainable O-1s and progress up the leader to reach the ranks of Admirals. Ask any Admiral if they had good mentors along the way and they will point out their Chiefs more often than anyone else who mentored them. Yes, Cadets and Midshipmen may technically outrank us, but not if they want a successful career.

BTW, I lived for the day any Middie, any year thought s/he was senior to me!
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SGT M C
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Cadets don't even outrank e-1's they have no rank they are 'Cadets" Plebes if you will. When they graduate and are commissioned then that is a different story
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MAJ Craig Gilkison
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No. They don't outrank anyone until they are commissioned or receive a warrant or an appointment as an NCO. Point out "Cadet" on the chart of ranks or shut TF Up Cadet. I earned my stripes then I earned my commission. You haven't earned crappola.
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LTC Infantryman
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I might have commented on this some time ago. So, having said that, I say; cadets are there to learn. While the cadet has no actual rank, be sure to treat them with respect while assisting them with learning. That cadet you train today might be your commander in the future.
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CPO Daniel Cassell
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I have had many Midshipmen assigned to me for their 2week "Summer Cruise", They do not outrank any enlisted until they are commiissioned!
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SFC Benjamin Harrison
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Let’s make it simple, cadets have not sworn an oath nor have they been commissioned. Until these steps occur they are civilians with zero authority over any Soldier.
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SFC Public Affairs Broadcast Specialist
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I'm honestly not sure what "the book" says about this, but I have never seen a cadet try to pull rank on anybody.

It's fun to hear and tell stories about cadets/green lieutenants who try to push their weight around, and then abruptly learn just how much senior NCOs outrank them in real life. Those stories survive because they satisfy our senses of justice and karma when we hear about the overprivileged, arrogant pup get put in his/her place by the experienced, old-school war dogs who have actually paid their dues - but in the real world, I've never seen such a take-down happen. I'm certain those situations have definitely occurred (and to AWESOME comedic effect) but they don't happen as often as the stories people like to tell about them.

I know my personal experience won't necessarily reflect everyone else's - everyone's mileage varies on stuff like this. But, speaking solely for myself, every cadet and boot lieutenant I've ever worked with has demonstrated a humble understanding that they had a lot to learn, and they were slightly terrified the first few times they were actually put in charge of something. (Just like most enlisted folks.)
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SSG Psychological Operations Specialist
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Thans a big FUCK NO, some people say they “just need to “practice their salute” and i say to the LT next to him FUCK NO,HE IS NOT COMMISSIONED. end of story. No dilema.
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1SG Wayne Harvin
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I'm afraid not
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