Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
Posted 8 y ago
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I'm a just a PFC and even I laugh every time I see a cadet walk into the hangar or on the flight line. They try to act tough and tell you what's what. You just give them a nod and carry on. You know what's true here.
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Umm no. There's a reason we were called 3LTs cause the respect we got at CTLT was courteous and directed by the unit leaders.
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They are similar to the old rank of Cornet that was btw NCI and O. One Army unit still has that rank, 28th, A104 AKA FTPCC originally formed 1774 and has existed as a USArmy unit since then.
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They do not and you don’t have to salute them until they receive their commission. Until then they have as much rank as a cadet major at Bunker Hill Military Academy in the movie “TAPS”.
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This discussion seems to pop its ugly head up pretty often. Allow me to follow a different path.
Outrank means what? Does that mean a cadet or midshipman can issue orders that an enlisted man is obligated to follow?
There is a chain of command. If someone of senior rank (PFC to 4 Star), who is not in the chain of command, issues an order, so what? If the interloper's orders do not align with the chain of command's orders, standing orders or regulations there better be damn good and obvious justification (life safety or damage to equipment/materials).
As far as I am aware no cadet or midshipman occupies a chain of command billet anywhere other than their respective service academy or ROTC unit. So, they have the rank, but not the authority.
Outrank means what? Does that mean a cadet or midshipman can issue orders that an enlisted man is obligated to follow?
There is a chain of command. If someone of senior rank (PFC to 4 Star), who is not in the chain of command, issues an order, so what? If the interloper's orders do not align with the chain of command's orders, standing orders or regulations there better be damn good and obvious justification (life safety or damage to equipment/materials).
As far as I am aware no cadet or midshipman occupies a chain of command billet anywhere other than their respective service academy or ROTC unit. So, they have the rank, but not the authority.
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Of Course Cadets Out Rank NCO's....
Truth IS However, They Out Rank NOBODY Because They're Officers In TRAINING, Not Officers...
Cadet - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadet
A cadet is an officer trainee or candidate. The term is frequently used to refer to those training to become an officer in the military, often a person who is a junior trainee. Its meaning may vary between countries which can include youths in voluntary youth organisations.
This Is MY Definition:
AKA "Little Pricks With Big Imaginations"
Truth IS However, They Out Rank NOBODY Because They're Officers In TRAINING, Not Officers...
Cadet - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadet
A cadet is an officer trainee or candidate. The term is frequently used to refer to those training to become an officer in the military, often a person who is a junior trainee. Its meaning may vary between countries which can include youths in voluntary youth organisations.
This Is MY Definition:
AKA "Little Pricks With Big Imaginations"
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I had a cadet try to pull that "where's my salute" shit on me when I was a CPL, once. I made him wish he was never born with the ass-reaming I gave him for it. And my commander told said cadet to pack his shit and go back to college, right afterwards.
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In the National Guard I went through a program called Simultaneous membership where I was paid as an E5 in the NG but a cadet in the ROTC program. I was fortunate because I was assigned to a W4 who showed me the respect of an officer but taught me as an NCO in all aspects of my workload. I credit him for my work ethic and my Success as an officer. I often tell people he taught me how to become an NCO before I put my Butterbars on. Thankyou for all you taught me Chief Bittick.
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Um…, no hey don’t. Remember they have not received a commission yet and are really college students in uniform. They also are at an E-5 pay grade
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Cadet= Student. A student that may become a officer. A student had no military rank. Officer or enlisted. They have rank amongst their fellow students, that's it.
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