Posted on Dec 14, 2020
Do I need to render a salute to an officer when my hands are occupied?
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This is the second time I’ve gotten reprimanded for this situation. I was walking with a binder in my hands, and a mug in the other hand. I walked past a CSM and a CPT, greeted both as I was unable to salute. CSM stopped me and demanded that I drop everything to salute the CPT. AR 600-25 states that I am not required to render a salute if I am carrying articles with both hands. What is the right answer?
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That provision is for truly being hands full: carrying a litter with a patient, actively manipulating tools, holding something steady, MP’s conducting an investigation or making an apprehension, or when doing so would create a safety concern, etc. The colonel is correct, small object in each hand no.
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This is what I was taught. If your hands are full, at least acknowledge the superior officer.
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SSgt Michael Bowen
Acknowledgement should be a given . Because your mouth still works and you shouldn't be walking around with your hands and mouth full .LOL
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If you are carrying a box of photocopy paper or something that requires both hands, then the officer(s) will understand. If you see 3 LTCs and One Colonel, say Good Morning Colonel and Gentlemen/Lady etc. I dislike when I hear enlisted say 'Sirs'.
Some of these officers have type A personality of idiots. I would just say good afternoon sir or ma'am, chaplain or general. They will NOT get mad as long as you acknowledge them. If they have to lock you up like a drill sergeant, maybe they have mental issues.
LTC (Join to see) 1SG (Join to see) LTC (Join to see) Cpl Vic Burk CSM Darieus ZaGara CWO3 (Join to see) Capt Jeff S. SSgt Joseph Baptist
Some of these officers have type A personality of idiots. I would just say good afternoon sir or ma'am, chaplain or general. They will NOT get mad as long as you acknowledge them. If they have to lock you up like a drill sergeant, maybe they have mental issues.
LTC (Join to see) 1SG (Join to see) LTC (Join to see) Cpl Vic Burk CSM Darieus ZaGara CWO3 (Join to see) Capt Jeff S. SSgt Joseph Baptist
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LTC Stephen Conway
Capt Jeff S. I remember as a first lieutenant a full bird colonel coming into our Armory. I did not call everybody to attention, I just shook the Colonel's hand and he was happy to see me and I lead him to see my company Commander he was going to go see anyway. I know some officers would prefer me to call the whole Armory to attention but summer just happy to not make a scene.
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SSG Douglas Shaffer
No, it was a cup of coffee, not some 70lb crate of 5.56. He was just being too lazy and trying to get away with "both hands being full" for the second time! No, you tuck the binder under your left arm and place the coffee in your left hand render the salute and the greeting of the day, it's that easy!
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If you legitimately carrying heavy objects such as boxes or sandbags with both of your hands then I don't think anyone would expect you to salute. But sounds to me you are just trying to playing the system and avoid saluting. How hard is it to tuck the binder under your left arm then salute? If you still trying to pull Army Regulation with CSM on this then you deserve to be dropped.
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After reading your statement a few times just to wrap my head around what you said. Here is one of the best solutions to your dilemma. Stop walking. Adjust to have items in your left, especially if it's a binder. You can put mug in your left. Render the salute and greeting.
Stop playing Mickey Mouse games SGT. Leave that crap to the PVTs. Your not going to get sympathy from any Senior NCO's or Officers here. I might throw you a sniveling towel and tell you to Pull your head out of your collective a$$, correct your malfunction and move out smartly.
And remember, an ass chewing is just constructive criticism. Soldier on SGT.
Stop playing Mickey Mouse games SGT. Leave that crap to the PVTs. Your not going to get sympathy from any Senior NCO's or Officers here. I might throw you a sniveling towel and tell you to Pull your head out of your collective a$$, correct your malfunction and move out smartly.
And remember, an ass chewing is just constructive criticism. Soldier on SGT.
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SFC William Linnell
WOW!!! This has got to be the longest Q & A session I've ever seen. Especially on the A part. HOLY BALLS!! I believe we done killed the horse, skinned it, sliced & ground it into hamburger and steaks and the grill has gotten hot enough to start cooking. :) LOL
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Slap the binder under your left arm, coffee cup in your left hand. Abetted excuse would be carrying a Jeep engine in both hands.
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Call me on. Be honest. You probably saw the CPT approaching from far enough away that you could have tucked the binder under your left are, continued holding your mouth g with your left hand, and saluted with your right. Yours sounds more like an excuse than a reason.
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You can tuck the binder under the left arm, and then hold the cup in the left hand, this leaves the saluting hand open for saluting. If you're carrying something that requires to hands to maneuver then you don't need to salute.
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I was active duty a long time ago (friends don't tell friends that 1980 was dirty one years ago). From the get-go, those I served with were trained to keep the right hand free. At the time, we were told it was to allow us to render the proper salute and greeting. If we were moving objects, using both hands, then the senior person (usually NCO in charge) would handle the greetings for the group.
As a young NCO, set your own standard higher than that expected of you, so the troops you are leading also have a higher standard than expected.
As a young NCO, set your own standard higher than that expected of you, so the troops you are leading also have a higher standard than expected.
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