Posted on Feb 23, 2018
Do you believe that select trained School faculty can carry a concealed weapon to protect the school?
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Recently at the Florida shooting, we found out that the Broward County Sheriff assigned to the school did not go into the school or try to intervene during the school shooting. Governor Brown of California in 2018 has made it illegal for School faculty having a concealed weapon aside from sworn officers. All I hear on NPR is no no no! PBS NewsHour debated this with NRA students. What do you think?
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One recurring theme is that these shootings very commonly occur in "gun free zones". The deterrence factor that there just might be someone to give a perp immediate reprisals for their actions is profound. I think it is plausible and should be considered that teachers with proper training be allowed to carry.
However, there isn't a chance in hell that teacher unions accept this, for multiple reasons.
If we are to add an armed response presence to schools, it will likely have to come in the form of a contracted police officer or armed security guard - which is really expensive to implement.
Notably, in the case down in Florida, the Deputy who had that job cravenly "took up a position" outside rather than go in and attempt to deal with the shooter. Now he has police protecting his house. This guy is a yellow, craven, useless, coward who deserves all the scorn in the world.
However, there isn't a chance in hell that teacher unions accept this, for multiple reasons.
If we are to add an armed response presence to schools, it will likely have to come in the form of a contracted police officer or armed security guard - which is really expensive to implement.
Notably, in the case down in Florida, the Deputy who had that job cravenly "took up a position" outside rather than go in and attempt to deal with the shooter. Now he has police protecting his house. This guy is a yellow, craven, useless, coward who deserves all the scorn in the world.
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CW4 (Join to see) - Drew, you could not be more wrong. As a civilian police officer, after Columbine, we go in. No teenaged mutant can easily defeat a trained police officer with a sig or glock with 17 or 19 rounds and two other clips. The whole idea is to confront the shooter, from cover if possible, and get him to concentrate on fighting you vs. shooting kids. That is what we are paid for. We risk our lives to save lives. I have no problem going up against an AR15 with a pistol in the close confines of a school.
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Lt Col (Join to see) - Colonel, let's use correct terminology. Semi-automatic. Not automatic.
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SGT Larry Braswell
Lt Col (Join to see) - the number of rounds fired quickly and easy magazine swaps aren't for the sake of the range, or for bad guy in my house at night... the proficiency with such weapons is for the time that another government goes rogue on us and needs to be changed.
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If I was a credentialed teacher and I also had a CCL then I'd like to have that "Choice". I would want the responsibility to be on me to be first an educator and second a trained marksman. Trained in defense, not in kicking down doors and reducing the threat. I would stick to the known and rehearsed security plan set forth by the school administration. Having individuals that carry concealed to me is not an issue. Having untrained or less than enthusiastic educators form into a rapid response fire team to kick in doors and neturalize a threat is being portrayed by the MSM now and that is an issue.
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SSG David Andrews
That is a ridiculous "straw argument". I would not eve dignify it by arguing against it!
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SFC Domingo M.
I agree totally but then again, the media has been framing the issues for decades now and will continue to do so. The big difference now is President Trump is calling them on it What
ever happened to, "The best defense is a good offense.?"
ever happened to, "The best defense is a good offense.?"
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SFC Domingo M. I'd agree but then State first one must recognize and define the battlefield. This issue is not being conducted at the maneuver level of ground warfare. It is a political war in which the Left ideology cannot allow a teacher or anyone for that matter to defend themselves and be autonomous from the all powerful State. Therefore teachers must be made out to be feckless, weak, and afraid to use a tool to defend them toe their customers.
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SFC Domingo M.
LTC (Join to see) - Well said, it is purely political. Our problem is centered in the fact that there is not one pair of balls in our Republican group of representatives. The initial defense was that they only controlled 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. So we gave them the Senate. They then made up the excuse that even if they passed legislation, President Obama would then VETO it. So then we gave them the White House and still, they can't seem to get anything done.
We cannot leave the safety of our children up to the Federal Government. These decisions should be handled by local government and local school administrations.
I'm a simple Infantryman, I define the battlefield as that space between me and the enemy and the governing law is survival.
We cannot leave the safety of our children up to the Federal Government. These decisions should be handled by local government and local school administrations.
I'm a simple Infantryman, I define the battlefield as that space between me and the enemy and the governing law is survival.
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My geography teacher in middle school was a Major in the military and our Cadet Corps Commander. I'm sure there are many teachers who had military or police experience in the past. I'm sure there are teachers who would not mind training to defend themselves in the case of an active shooter situation. It seems like on TV, the leadership of the teachers union is acting like the sky is falling if they actually have to show responsibility. It sickens me and makes me laugh at the same time! I'm sure there are enough volunteer teachers. I'm not saying to force teachers to be the enforcers on campus. Seems like some of these teachers were raised in Haight-Ashbury(the place where hippies and Beatniks started their druggie flower-power movement in the mid 1960s)
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Lt Col Lewis Williams no, I actually think it's pretty perceptive pretty much. More like Oddball from Kelly's Heroes. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.
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Lt Col Lewis Williams sorry for the last comment. Teachers are there to teach. But they should be multi-talented just like we are as Warriors. In California, you don't have the option anymore. If you have a concealed weapons permit and you're the janitor, it's against the law. I just wish teachers and politicians would say I am responsible for what happens and what doesn't happen to children or students on campus. Thank you for your opinion. It's noted
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One plan will not fit all situations. Whether it is a well trained teacher(s) or a team of well trained veterans. What the school district choose to do to defend their students is a district by district decision.
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SFC (Join to see) but as of 1 January 2017 or 2018, Governor Jerry Brown of California took away that discretionary Authority giving criminals more confidence in pulling off stuff on campus since campus officers are not always there.
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