Posted on Sep 24, 2014
Do you believe that Sharia Law is compatible with our Constitution?
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I want to know whether anyone believes that Islam in America demanding Sharia Law will work in America with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. With the growing Muslim population (both legally and illegally) and all of the special treatment they get regarding their religion as compared to any other in America are you worried about whether our Constitution will survive?
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Sharia Law is not compatible with the laws of nature much less in a 'civilized' society.
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SPC Charles Griffith
No and before anyone starts on me this is not a religious issue it is in fact a LAW issue. If anyone want's to try and toss out the First Amendment please READ it first.
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i do not understand how it can be a 1st amendment issue. you must mean for the women who are not allowed the freedom of that a American woman has.
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Sharia Law does not allow many things to be said that can be considered blasphemy.
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Sharia Law is incompatible with democracy in general. Authoritarian rule works just fine for establishing laws based solely on religious principles. The US Constitution prohibits the making of any law establishing a national religion and many tenants of Sharia Law fly in the face of basic rights granted by our constitution.
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Cpl (Join to see), I can only hope so for the sake of every American. Because if it goes the other way, it's going to be an absolute disaster that I don't want to imagine.
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hell no.. not a chance in hell. If I cant have my religious rights in our own country then they DO NOT DESERVE theirs HERE either! We live in an age in time where people in our country are compromising our own values and ways of life to please people who want to be apart of our society who are basically coming here to get away from the same things they are trying to incorporate into our society. Just my opinion.
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SSG Maurice P.
CPL Hicks your right about us fighting back but this time we CAN NOT ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE SLOW IN ADJUSTING FIRE...
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SPC Charles Griffith
SSG Wichita I agree with the idea you espouse I however don't want my Religion running things either. It is my heartfelt belief that the framers got it right and to allow ANY Religion to rule is wrong.
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Nope. Can't. Sharia law insists that anyone that is not a Muslim be given a choice - either convert or die. And that's the beginning......
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Cpl (Join to see)
The first crusades were hardly about religion either. The church may have had some small religious intent, however, the barons who sent their troops and their sons were more interested in land for their many princes who would not inherit. The kingdom of Jerusalem was a means to give land owning opportunities to those sons. This division in purpose and ideals is a major factor for why the crusades did not maintain their purpose.
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SSG William Patton
Cpl. Hicks, you are absolutely correct. In fact, they were all about land for the elite in Europe. Religion became a rallying call to get commoners involved and die for a cause. I don't recall the monarch that got the Pope involved, but once that happened, religion was a facade used by the elitists to obtain more land. In response to SPC Mulder, we do not fight for Christianity, but for the right to worship as we please. That is a First Amendment guarantee, and it includes Islam. The problem is Sharia law does not allow for worshiping any god but Allah. Your choice is convert to Islam, or die.
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MAJ Matthew Arnold
Know your history. Look it up. The first crusades and subsequent crusades were a response to about 400 or 500 years of Islamic aggression. The princes on the edge of the Christian world, Hungry, Croatia, Spain, who were bearing the weight of Islamic aggression, appealed to the Pope and the prices of Europe for help in defending the borders of Christendom, in about 1090, give or take, what followed was the Crusades. The spoils of war followed war as it had always done from the time of the beginning of war to that time.
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I'll be shocked if anyone agrees with compatibility. Being a Christian myself, I remember reading in the Bible about being unequally yoked, which has infiltrated this country all the way to the core. Yoking, excuse me, ATTEMPTING to yoke American democratic laws with Sharia dictatorship is IMPOSSIBLE.
PS: I'm forever grateful to the nation where its citizens love freedom far more than dictatorship, and are committed to defend it with far greater success than its adversaries.
PS: I'm forever grateful to the nation where its citizens love freedom far more than dictatorship, and are committed to defend it with far greater success than its adversaries.
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No I don't, period. There's my answer. I refuse to live under any rule that says I have to believe in a certain religion or face death.
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SSG (Join to see)
“Pro-choice, pro-gay rights supporters are the real extremists,” thundered Santorum. “We must declare war on Islam,” shouted Michele Bachmann (R-MN). Right-wing pastor Dwight McKissic called the gay rights movement a “Satanic” effort birthed “from the pit of Hell itself,” before suggesting “the Antichrist himself may be homosexual. Anjem Choudary said "The objective of a Muslim is not to become a doctor or lawyer but rather IZHAR UD-DEEN: The Complete Domination of the World by Islam (9:33)". There's extremists on all sides. So how to deal with it, either I can move out of my beloved country or someone is going to be on the receiving end of my long rifle. No one, I repeat, no one is going force their beliefs down my throat. It's that simple for me.
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PO2 Robert Lee
Islam as a whole is not compatible with the United States Constitution. That said, Sharia Law totally disregards the accepted American Legal system that is adopted and followed by American Citizens. All those who believe-in, Defend, and/or embrace this Muslim "Way of Life - Legal System" need to be put into containers and deported to anywhere that this "Way of life - Legal system" can be accepted without trod-ding on anyone else's beliefs.
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An interesting question, one bound to incite the passions as already demonstrated in other comments in this discussion thread. Obviously, the answer is yes and no. Yes, Muslims may voluntarily submit to Sharia while residing in the United States. However, it is not enforceable in US courts and it may not be used as a defense in any criminal action. For example, a Muslim who commits murder as sanctioned by Sharia cannot escape punishment under US law.
Now that is as impassionate a response as I can make as a legal scholar. As a human being committed to defending, preserving, and protecting the Constitution, I am suspicious of any who advocate supplanting it with Sharia. They skirt dangerously close to being an enemy of the Constitution and should be put on notice that we will not tolerate any such attempt.
Now that is as impassionate a response as I can make as a legal scholar. As a human being committed to defending, preserving, and protecting the Constitution, I am suspicious of any who advocate supplanting it with Sharia. They skirt dangerously close to being an enemy of the Constitution and should be put on notice that we will not tolerate any such attempt.
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Everyone today is bitching about the word "God" in our government and Sharia Law is God and the government as one. I don't think so.
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WO1 (Join to see) Let's get something straight. First that use of 'gravitas' was repeated over and over, (around 380x) and this was from the Major Networks and other than right leaning groups. And one MAJOR distinction is that the rhetoric is matched by beheadings! That is just a fact. You have no real Christian group advocating for this kind of treachery. Nice try though.
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CPT Ray Doeksen
Well, other than Duck Dynasty, there might not be many more. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/phil-robertson-isis_n_5756928.html
"You have no real Christian group..." sounds like you are using the "No true Scotsman" sort of logical fallacy there.
"You have no real Christian group..." sounds like you are using the "No true Scotsman" sort of logical fallacy there.
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WO1 (Join to see)
As CPT Ray Doeksen pointed out, calling people who call themselves Christians, non-Christians, is a fallacy.
Even removing the violence and keeping this on the original point. Just as there are people pushing for Sharia Law in the US, people have pushed for plenty of religious laws in the US. How many places can we no buy alcohol on Sunday? Places that push for creationism to be taught in school? People could push just as easily push for some Sharia laws. What about no drinking on Friday? In Allah we trust? Islamic Creation in schools? You're right SSgt Larry Olson, the violence has gravitas, but it doesn't have to be violence, it could be just something that as pushed as far as it can go into everyone's life.
Even removing the violence and keeping this on the original point. Just as there are people pushing for Sharia Law in the US, people have pushed for plenty of religious laws in the US. How many places can we no buy alcohol on Sunday? Places that push for creationism to be taught in school? People could push just as easily push for some Sharia laws. What about no drinking on Friday? In Allah we trust? Islamic Creation in schools? You're right SSgt Larry Olson, the violence has gravitas, but it doesn't have to be violence, it could be just something that as pushed as far as it can go into everyone's life.
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MAJ (Join to see), with respect Sir, I have to disagree that Allah, God and Yahweh are one in the same, from a theological standpoint. It can be said that Jews and Christians worship the same God, as the OT and the Tor'ah are one and the same (save a few linguistic differences). The only real similarity is that they are monotheistic in nature. There are massive amounts of theological and historical differences to the contrary. I now this isn't a theological debate, but here are three key differences:
1. You can have a 'personal' relationship with God or Yahweh. You cannot with Allah. In fact, in Islam, it is considered blasphemous to “presume” that one can know God or claim any sort of close, personal fellowship with Allah.
2.God and Yahweh love all people in spite of their failings and is willing to forgive. Allah picks and chooses those whom he loves and does not forgive. Interestingly, those Christians and Jews who pray to God typically call him 'Father' or 'Adoni (Hebrew)'. Of all 99 names for Allah listed in the Qur'an not one translates to 'father'.
3. God (in the form of the word made Flesh through Jesus) died for Humanity. wile the Jews do not believe the Messiah has come yet, they believe in the same prophecies that fortell his coming. In the Tor'ah, the act of Salvation also comes in the form of a sacrifice or the death of the Messiah. The Qur'an explicitly states that Allah would not do this for his followers nor would he send anyone in his place to do this.
Again, I know this is not a religious debate, but I felt it needed to be pointed out. Thanks for the ear.
1. You can have a 'personal' relationship with God or Yahweh. You cannot with Allah. In fact, in Islam, it is considered blasphemous to “presume” that one can know God or claim any sort of close, personal fellowship with Allah.
2.God and Yahweh love all people in spite of their failings and is willing to forgive. Allah picks and chooses those whom he loves and does not forgive. Interestingly, those Christians and Jews who pray to God typically call him 'Father' or 'Adoni (Hebrew)'. Of all 99 names for Allah listed in the Qur'an not one translates to 'father'.
3. God (in the form of the word made Flesh through Jesus) died for Humanity. wile the Jews do not believe the Messiah has come yet, they believe in the same prophecies that fortell his coming. In the Tor'ah, the act of Salvation also comes in the form of a sacrifice or the death of the Messiah. The Qur'an explicitly states that Allah would not do this for his followers nor would he send anyone in his place to do this.
Again, I know this is not a religious debate, but I felt it needed to be pointed out. Thanks for the ear.
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There is no compatibility between sharia law and our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I do think that certain sects forget that we are a nation of laws, and our elected leaders and appointed judges need to stop reading between the lines of our laws and cease creating grey areas that are open for interpretation. They need or we need to stop electing people that say anything for a vote but stand for nothing. I am skeptical that this will not happen in the near future. I regret saying, but this won't change until a catastrophic event that directly impacts these people. Then, will ask, how and why this could happen in our country. If they, don't ask this, they will want to place blame. Of course, George W. Bush will be the fall guy.
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1SG Ronald Philips
The Constitution as amended by the Bill of Rights form our basic precepts of our law.
They provide everyone the right of freedom of religion. We have fought wars for these beliefs and should stand by them and the oath that we all swore when we enlisted in our branch of service.
Any individual or organization that tries to replace the laws of our land with laws that are contrary to the core beliefs of our country are on the wrong side of both our beliefs and the oaths that we swore when we entered the service of our country.
They provide everyone the right of freedom of religion. We have fought wars for these beliefs and should stand by them and the oath that we all swore when we enlisted in our branch of service.
Any individual or organization that tries to replace the laws of our land with laws that are contrary to the core beliefs of our country are on the wrong side of both our beliefs and the oaths that we swore when we entered the service of our country.
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My response is not a personal attack on you PO1 Steven Kuhn, but simply my observations of our society in regards to Islam.
First....No...It's not compatible.
Next. I'll probably catch hell for this, but....they can take their Sharia Law and "stick it where the sun don't shine"! The day they show at my door to enforce Sharia Law is the day they find out what, qty/sz/cal, is hidden behind door #1! I have had it with our society caving to all of these little Islamic demands! Look at where it's gotten Great Britain....take a hint! I have spent a bit of time over there in my travels and they have turned that country into their own little cesspool of personal bidding!
And the argument of "it will only affect the Muslim community" won't work, because that was the original intent in GB and now it's starting to fester and spill out of the Muslim community, into the other areas of GB, little-by-little! They are [never] satisfied with control of just their own, they must control all others! Genghis Khan once said, "It is not sufficient that I succeed – all others must fail".
So let the hate mail begin. Know this....I held my tongue for ten years of service and I don't intend on holding it any longer! I say what [many] others are afraid to because of [perceived] social standings/circles and respect for the Muslims! So, if you are the type of person who caters to, or entertains the notion of, Sharia Law, or defends people who do....I don't need your social circles/standings and I don't fear Sharia Law! I refuse to be a sheep!
They don't respect you, your women, your rights or your freedom!
So, there you have my stance on it! Peace out!
First....No...It's not compatible.
Next. I'll probably catch hell for this, but....they can take their Sharia Law and "stick it where the sun don't shine"! The day they show at my door to enforce Sharia Law is the day they find out what, qty/sz/cal, is hidden behind door #1! I have had it with our society caving to all of these little Islamic demands! Look at where it's gotten Great Britain....take a hint! I have spent a bit of time over there in my travels and they have turned that country into their own little cesspool of personal bidding!
And the argument of "it will only affect the Muslim community" won't work, because that was the original intent in GB and now it's starting to fester and spill out of the Muslim community, into the other areas of GB, little-by-little! They are [never] satisfied with control of just their own, they must control all others! Genghis Khan once said, "It is not sufficient that I succeed – all others must fail".
So let the hate mail begin. Know this....I held my tongue for ten years of service and I don't intend on holding it any longer! I say what [many] others are afraid to because of [perceived] social standings/circles and respect for the Muslims! So, if you are the type of person who caters to, or entertains the notion of, Sharia Law, or defends people who do....I don't need your social circles/standings and I don't fear Sharia Law! I refuse to be a sheep!
They don't respect you, your women, your rights or your freedom!
So, there you have my stance on it! Peace out!
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
I do not believe that you and I have said anything that is not in total agreement, and if we have please bring it to my intention. Thank you for your post!
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SSgt Christopher "TEX" F.
My apologies for the lateness of this response. Somehow, your response got lost in the mix. Better late than never....hopefully.
No..we didn't say anything in disagreement. However, I didn't know your stance on the subject and didn't [unnecessarily] want to make an enemy of an allie. I always try to speak my mind, because I feel "sugar coating" the truth is worse than telling the brutal truth. I would rather someone tell me the honestly brutal, truth to than lie to me to try and save face and I give the same respect. Because of my philosophy, I sometimes upset, or piss off, people and I wanted to make sure that you understood that any of my comments weren't a direct attack on any of your ideas/beliefs, but rather my personal thoughts on the subject.
Peace brother
No..we didn't say anything in disagreement. However, I didn't know your stance on the subject and didn't [unnecessarily] want to make an enemy of an allie. I always try to speak my mind, because I feel "sugar coating" the truth is worse than telling the brutal truth. I would rather someone tell me the honestly brutal, truth to than lie to me to try and save face and I give the same respect. Because of my philosophy, I sometimes upset, or piss off, people and I wanted to make sure that you understood that any of my comments weren't a direct attack on any of your ideas/beliefs, but rather my personal thoughts on the subject.
Peace brother
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