Posted on Jun 10, 2017
Do you find the term "butter bar" offensive or demeaning?
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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I always saw the term 'butter bar' as being like a nickname, which is very disrespectful UP the chain. The newest Ensign was always called "Bull" for us, though (it was also engraved on their rank insignia), so I guess we just have different nicknames.
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Maybe you meant the senior Ensign? The newest is the Boot or George Ensign.
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/b/bull-ensign.html
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/b/bull-ensign.html
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With the exception of Mustangs, I never met a butter bar who’s opinion really mattered. They just need to pay attention and keep their head down.
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In today's pc society that raised many of our O1s, I can see how someone may take it out of context. I trained so many butter bars in my career that I've lost track, and my own son is currently a deployed butter bar. I could not be prouder of him. Like everything in the military, it's a temporary thing and most importantly it's part of your development. Enjoy being an officer and remember that there are way more junior enlisted being crapped on every day than you'll ever know. Show the troops that Ensigns and 2nd LTs are a very important part of our system. I think they are regardless of whatever silly term they get pegged with.
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Just 1 small example of military jargon that has been used for years.No more offensive than Bird Col.
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It may be used in order to be disparaging. Or, it may be used in a friendly, collegial, jocular manner, encouraging friendship, teamwork, and unit cohesion. Whether the hearer is offended or not is not the main issue. I ask, what is the intent of the user of the term? Is he or she encouraging collegiality and esprit de corps? Or is he or she trying to get under someone's skin, under the guise of "tradition" or some such, and then hiding behind the idea that the hearer should not be offended? Junior high school mentalities (name calling, cliques, bullying, attacking the new person simply for being new, etc.) are not the marks of professionals.
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I had been Enlisted (E-5) finished college and sold my soul. Some of the other LTs hated it. I reminded them they were called Butter Bars because they didn't know shit.
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I think all Butter Bars should be required to spend at least 4 years as enlisted or NCO before becoming an officer. It might save a lot of lives. I even heard NCO's say the same thing. I'd trust an NCO before I would ever trust a 2LT. They couldn't find their ass with both hands without a map.
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Getouttahere!! No, but what does offend me is these sissy assed liberal questions about being offended on a military web site. If you are truly offended easily, stay out of the Marines, we need strong men and women and your getting offended will result in your really being offended.
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Why should you be offended by it. Proves you worked your ass off to earn it. Also proves you're going to continue to learn because you have gone from the top of the barrel to the bottom. All great officers at once time were butter bars.
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CPT William Jones
There are a few exceptions to that statement but not many. A few start commissioned service at a higher pay grade and do great things but notmany
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