Posted on Mar 12, 2016
Do you think Islam really hates us like everyone says?
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All I hear about Islam is they all hate Americans. I hear people spreading hate on Islam like its Ibuprofen. I just want everyone to think for 1 minute before responding. I am appalled after this paradigm shift. If the hate existed like everyone I hear say, we would have ZERO returning servicemembers from Iraq and Afghanistan. If we succumb to the hate we fuel the radicals. We must see things as they are. Not every one person from one particular religion is what the majority of the masses believe. Extremists exist is every religion and every culture.
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I'm a practicing Muslim service-member. I hold all of you in the same regard as I do my three siblings. That sentiment is perfectly in line with the tenants of my faith. I don't know how you can skew the Qur'an into directing otherwise, but keep in mind that most of these extremists don't even allow their constituents to read and interpret the book for themselves.
As far as the other side of the coin goes, I have NEVER, and I emphasize the word NEVER, experienced any distrust towards me from my fellow soldiers and those appointed over me because of my faith. Outside of the military, it's a different case. But never in the military. That's why I firmly believe that our service-members are the best of the best cross-section of people this country has to offer.
As far as the other side of the coin goes, I have NEVER, and I emphasize the word NEVER, experienced any distrust towards me from my fellow soldiers and those appointed over me because of my faith. Outside of the military, it's a different case. But never in the military. That's why I firmly believe that our service-members are the best of the best cross-section of people this country has to offer.
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SSgt Koree Copeland
SPC Darren Koele - there are times when not using that brush can get people hurt. It's been proven over and over again.
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SSgt Koree Copeland - I don't need your opinion on what's expected of me or what's not. It's obvious you came here with some sort of bias. Now, you want to guilt trip somebody who actually has intelligence and knows how to differentiate between right or wrong. You might want to go soul-search a little bit and figure out why you're so bitter.
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Hold on a second.....Staff are you saying:
ALL white people aren't bigots?
ALL black people are felons, thug, and welfare queens?
ALL Christians turn the other cheek?
ALL Muslims aren't terrorists?
ALL Hispanics aren't illegals?
ALL of the Dallas Cowboys are good players?
ALL Gays and members of the LGBT spread AIDS and other STD's to straight people?
ALL women are good for is making sammiches, being barefoot and preggers with no place in a mans world?
ALL of the ghettos are full of blacks, barrios with Hispanics, trailer parks with whites?
ALL of America HAS to believe in Christ to survive?
ALL of the effective leaders in America HAVE to be white being that white IS right?
ALL of us should cross the street to the other side if you see me walking towards you? I'm black you know.
ALL Police officers are bad people with Napoleon syndrome?
ALL of those who suffer from PTSD are violent, untrustworthy individuals who should be shunned from the military?
ALL of the GOP hate the 47% of America
ALL of the Dems love the 47% of America
ALL black men can be shut up with a basketball or football.
ALL black men are scared of reading books
ALL white men hate that their bedsheets are the same as their Klan robes.
I wrote that to show how absurd people are willing to go to show stark and absolute contrasts that are NOT true, but since those "in the know" say it, it must be true. How people allow lamestream media and personal bias cloud the truth, or suit their narrative. But cannot allow simple truths to show through. If it's negative, believe it. If it's a good thing, that never could possibly happen in real life. Wake up folks and see that no one owns a monopoly on ignorance. Too much good in the world to be focused on the bad. But if that's how you want to live your life in constant FEAR disguised as "strength" or "confidence", then you're missing out on a lot. Sucks to be you.
ALL white people aren't bigots?
ALL black people are felons, thug, and welfare queens?
ALL Christians turn the other cheek?
ALL Muslims aren't terrorists?
ALL Hispanics aren't illegals?
ALL of the Dallas Cowboys are good players?
ALL Gays and members of the LGBT spread AIDS and other STD's to straight people?
ALL women are good for is making sammiches, being barefoot and preggers with no place in a mans world?
ALL of the ghettos are full of blacks, barrios with Hispanics, trailer parks with whites?
ALL of America HAS to believe in Christ to survive?
ALL of the effective leaders in America HAVE to be white being that white IS right?
ALL of us should cross the street to the other side if you see me walking towards you? I'm black you know.
ALL Police officers are bad people with Napoleon syndrome?
ALL of those who suffer from PTSD are violent, untrustworthy individuals who should be shunned from the military?
ALL of the GOP hate the 47% of America
ALL of the Dems love the 47% of America
ALL black men can be shut up with a basketball or football.
ALL black men are scared of reading books
ALL white men hate that their bedsheets are the same as their Klan robes.
I wrote that to show how absurd people are willing to go to show stark and absolute contrasts that are NOT true, but since those "in the know" say it, it must be true. How people allow lamestream media and personal bias cloud the truth, or suit their narrative. But cannot allow simple truths to show through. If it's negative, believe it. If it's a good thing, that never could possibly happen in real life. Wake up folks and see that no one owns a monopoly on ignorance. Too much good in the world to be focused on the bad. But if that's how you want to live your life in constant FEAR disguised as "strength" or "confidence", then you're missing out on a lot. Sucks to be you.
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SSG Jesse Cheadle
Yes. You get the message. I believe on a large scale our service members have more cultural awareness than our civillians. Thats more the point of my post.
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SSG Warren Swan Excellent post. I may borrow that. Except for the Cowboys thing......
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SSG Warren Swan
SFC (Join to see) - It's yours SFC. On the Cowboys thing, there are no good players on that team since Johnson was head coach #HTTR4EVER.
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SSG Warren Swan Very true about Johnson. Best trade the Cowboys could ever do is Jerry Jones...lol.
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Those of the extreme faith who can't accept how others live hate everyone who don't believe the way they do. No matter if they're American or what.
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SPC Darren Koele
I don't see anything wro...whoa, wait a minute, you're one of them there B pos blood types. That's it. I'm starting an anti-B pos group and have you thrown out of here.
j/k, since we are lacking a sarcasm font.
j/k, since we are lacking a sarcasm font.
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I have read through the Koran a couple times and understand that it needs to be interpreted so that the later Sura [chapter] has precedence over earlier Sura text if there is a conflict SSG Jesse Cheadle. In the earlier Sura you will find positive references to the people of the book [Christians and Jews]. The Muslim prophet Mohammed interacted with people who had rudimentary knowledge of Judaism and Christina teaching and doctrine which is why Biblical characters are mixed in the stories included in the Koran. The most famous switch is Ismael for Isaac but Noah and Isaiah are listed as prophets of Allah in the Koran as opposed to how Noah is treated in the Bible and Isaiah describes himself in the book by his name.
Muslims are called to rule over non-Muslims in the Caliphate and when they reach the majority of influence in a culture or state they do their best to rule that way. Muslims do not hate all citizens of the USA only those who do not embrace the Koran as the holy book and Mohammed as its greatest prophet.
Muslims are called to rule over non-Muslims in the Caliphate and when they reach the majority of influence in a culture or state they do their best to rule that way. Muslims do not hate all citizens of the USA only those who do not embrace the Koran as the holy book and Mohammed as its greatest prophet.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SGT (Join to see) - you are "fighting" a just (Valid) campaign to explain your beliefs to us. Many myths exist and Persist on both sides. I am reading HAMMERHEAD SIX by CPT Ronald Fry, cdr, SFODA-936, whose "A" Team built the first A camp in the PECH Valley Afganistan JUL 2003. A LaterDay Saint's team from 19th SFG, Utah NG. It is a great read on SF nation building on the local level. Di Oppresso Liber!
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SSG Robert Webster
MAJ (Join to see) - We could start with Bangladesh. Though Islam is officially the state religion, Bangladesh's constitution established the country as a secular state. The charter also protects the right to profess and practice any religion freely. The most recent conflict between Christians and Muslims concerning proselytizing or conversion was in 2015.
Just because it is not in the Main Stream Media on the news does not mean that it is not an ongoing issue or problem.
Next we can discuss Egypt, which though has approximately 90% Muslim, approximately 10% Christian of various faiths mainly Coptic, and an extremely small community of other religious beliefs. This is one that I have personal experience with as of 1982 and the preparation to be deployed there and the training in direct relation to that subject.
Just because it is not in the Main Stream Media on the news does not mean that it is not an ongoing issue or problem.
Next we can discuss Egypt, which though has approximately 90% Muslim, approximately 10% Christian of various faiths mainly Coptic, and an extremely small community of other religious beliefs. This is one that I have personal experience with as of 1982 and the preparation to be deployed there and the training in direct relation to that subject.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SSG Robert Webster - Thank you for your insights into this discussion. Your comments are very informative and thought provoking. I lived in Adana, Turkey '58-'59 (8-9 y.o.) on the economy. No problems except with customs/border patrol on one occasion (tourist) going to Beruit. No problem when an SF trooper dealing with R Jordanian Army airborne units.
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I don't hate Islam. In fact, I don't know anyone who hates Islam.
I don't understand why "If the hate existed like everyone I hear say, we would have ZERO returning servicemembers from Iraq and Afghanistan." You'll have to explain that one to me. I simply don't get it. Sounds like a non sequitur to me, but I could be wrong.
I'm not worried about succumbing to hate. I am worried about those who want to stifle our urge to defend ourselves for fear of offending someone. No, not every person from one particular religion is what the majority of the masses believe. I suspect they may not be what you believe. Again, I could be wrong...
I don't understand why "If the hate existed like everyone I hear say, we would have ZERO returning servicemembers from Iraq and Afghanistan." You'll have to explain that one to me. I simply don't get it. Sounds like a non sequitur to me, but I could be wrong.
I'm not worried about succumbing to hate. I am worried about those who want to stifle our urge to defend ourselves for fear of offending someone. No, not every person from one particular religion is what the majority of the masses believe. I suspect they may not be what you believe. Again, I could be wrong...
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SSG Jesse Cheadle I haven't seen it characterized as every person who is a Muslim is a radical. However we cannot deny that organizations such as ISIL, Hamas, and those who practice the strict Wahhabi form of Islam do teach children in a manner demonizing the West as well as Christians, Jews and other "unbelievers.". Their curriculum encourages violence towards nonbelievers and guides the students into the belief that violent actions, to include killing are necessary to safeguard their own religion.
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Next week, I intend to buy a copy of their holy book and look for myself!
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LTC Stephen F.
SSG Robert Webster - Ref your comments on judging based on Luke 6:37, Christ was very confrontational when he responded to the teachers of his time and he said [NASB] 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”
The issue that Christ is primarily referring to is the ultimate judgement of each person. We do not know the ultimate destiny of any particular person except our own standing before God. From the outside I was a very unlikely candidate to have a personal relationship with God. Yet in God's perfect timing he condescended to welcome me into His kingdom. Over the years God has convicted me to pray for those who have despitefully used me including child molesters. Several years ago he changed my heart to intercede for the Wahhabi doctrine Muslims and last year he convicted me to pray for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
We are not called to judge people but we are called to judge doctrinal and teaching to see if it lines up with the Word of God. In Act 1711 Now these [Bereans] were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”
The issue that Christ is primarily referring to is the ultimate judgement of each person. We do not know the ultimate destiny of any particular person except our own standing before God. From the outside I was a very unlikely candidate to have a personal relationship with God. Yet in God's perfect timing he condescended to welcome me into His kingdom. Over the years God has convicted me to pray for those who have despitefully used me including child molesters. Several years ago he changed my heart to intercede for the Wahhabi doctrine Muslims and last year he convicted me to pray for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
We are not called to judge people but we are called to judge doctrinal and teaching to see if it lines up with the Word of God. In Act 1711 Now these [Bereans] were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
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SSG Robert Webster
LTC Stephen F. - Thank you, you have just answered your own question about my statement about being biased.
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I believe no one is born to hate. It is definitely something that is taught. Do to fear, the unknown, jealousy, ect it manifests into a thought of hate. That hate seed is planted and then grows in those who allow it to be fed.
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Hate is hate regardless the religion of the person. Islam promotes peace,with obvious (in current times) harsh elements embedded for one reason or another. It's the ones that focus only on the violence and indescriminate killing that I'd like to grind to dust. And I'm a Muslim covert from 98'
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