Posted on May 10, 2015
Do you think military service members should be prosecuted under UCMJ for disrespect to the Commander-in-Chief? I say absolutely, YES!
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Edited 9 y ago
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
IF we only had an order 66 1LT Scott Doyle, the possibilities could be endless! Bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha!!
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But is there the precedent to use Article 134 to prosecute enlisted for contempt towards officials? There is a reason why Article 88 only applies to commissioned officers or they would have easily have written it to mean any member of the armed forces.
Any JAG out there that can answer that?
Any JAG out there that can answer that?
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You got a lot of Veterans that are going to disagree here, but as citizens that is their prerogative. Which may be part of the reason they aren't serving anymore.
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CPT William Ainley
This President has blamed the Bush Administration for every time he experiences a "failure", which have been many, including his obligation to force the Iraqi's to leave behind American Forces, and now he is preparing to create the same debacle in Afghanistan. History will show him to be the worst Commander-In-Chief this nation has ever had!
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CPT William Ainley
Oh yeah, they always go for down -sizing the military, no matter the political affiliation, President Hubert Walker Bush had started implementing down-sizing just prior to Saddam acting stupid back in 1991. For the life of me I have never understood their reasoning, President Reagan did everything he could to bring the Actives and Reserves up to strength, emphasizing better training and equipment, with the focus on Reserve and National Guard Components, successors come along, and the first thing they want to do is dismantle the rank and file of the entire military!
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CW2 Joseph Evans
Rank and file suffer from a cult of personality. We follow the leaders. And when there are leaders like Gen. Colin Powell, Gen. Mattis, and Gen. McChrystal, the civilian powers that be can get a little sensitive about where the power actually is...
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SPC James Fie - Now that is 100% true, but I get the feeling, the author meant buddies.
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NO, Part of the oath, and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me.
There is a difference between obeying orders, and talking about an elected official where the soldiers vote still counts. Long as its out of uniform and demonstrated in civilian attire or off duty which is allowed.
We are still soldiers, but ultimately still Americans preserving our way of life!
There is a difference between obeying orders, and talking about an elected official where the soldiers vote still counts. Long as its out of uniform and demonstrated in civilian attire or off duty which is allowed.
We are still soldiers, but ultimately still Americans preserving our way of life!
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I don't agree 100% It depends on what you consider disrespect. The Commander-in-Chief is a politician and they were put in office by you and I. If they suck FIRE THEM. I don't think any military member should take to the airwaves to talk about what is wrong but I do think military has a right as any other citizen in America to voice their opinion without fear of being punished.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
SFC Tyrone Almendarez - No where in the oath does it state we can sit down and have a rational conversation about the policies created by POTUS. I don't agree with pulling troops out of Iraq. Look at Iraq now. The place is falling apart. Did I just disrespect POTUS about his non strategic promise he made to the American people?
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SFC Carey Cox
I can tell you for a fact that you would have to prosecute 90% of the combat arms. Obama may be the commander in chief but has he ever put is life on line for this country? Has he lied? You better believe he has. Respect is earned. I will go to my grave supporting troops who voice their earned discontent with a Commander in Chief's outright irresponsibility to this nation. I always obeyed his orders but I and the other soldiers who have bleed and wept tears and sweat in combat have earned the right to speak up about his incompetency as a leader.
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CPT William Ainley
SFC Tyrone Almendarez - If you recognize John Kerry as a "War Hero" that is your prerogative, but there is a group of former "Brown Water" Swift Boat sailors who will completely disagree with you, those sailors knew him and disputed his claims of "heroism under fire"! To me he is no better than "Hanoi Jane" for all the lies he told regarding our Military in Viet Nam to a Congressional sub-committee; his motivation for testifying was only to get his name out there for his five minutes of fame!
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CPT William Ainley
Illiterate f....k! I'm curious to know why you feel you are such a scholar! I served during the same years you served, but I served in the Infantry, Airborne, not behind a desk, or mess kit, and tent repair unit, what were you doing little man? And just who were these POW's you refer too that you proudly served with?
The men I served with were folks that dealt with "Charlie, and NVA up close and personal, on at least one Combat Tour, most of them two and wore Combat Infantryman's Badges, several of them with a "star" above the badge, you know, "Real Heros" decorated for "Heroism" and not one of them had anything good to say about those two "Wipes"
Your dialogue about Mr. Hero, John Kerry, and your Heroine Hanoi Jane indicates to me where you are at regarding political persuasion. And folks of your like you are nothing but a bunch of postulating, self-inflated Blow Hards, and only "Elitist" in your mind, no one else perceives you as such, anyone else with common sense which you do not indicate immediately recognize your egotistical, narcissistic stupidity!
The men I served with were folks that dealt with "Charlie, and NVA up close and personal, on at least one Combat Tour, most of them two and wore Combat Infantryman's Badges, several of them with a "star" above the badge, you know, "Real Heros" decorated for "Heroism" and not one of them had anything good to say about those two "Wipes"
Your dialogue about Mr. Hero, John Kerry, and your Heroine Hanoi Jane indicates to me where you are at regarding political persuasion. And folks of your like you are nothing but a bunch of postulating, self-inflated Blow Hards, and only "Elitist" in your mind, no one else perceives you as such, anyone else with common sense which you do not indicate immediately recognize your egotistical, narcissistic stupidity!
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To this I would ask under what Article, and would then ask how things would look if we went about charging everyone who spoke ill of their COC. I'm not sure if you are just advocating specifically for the CIC and are therefore tired of SM exhibiting their disdain for the man but I would love to meet the RP member who has never spoken negatively about someone in their command. You should be more specific about what your version of disrespect is. I have spoken openly about my opposition to the POTUS specifically when he has done things that are both immoral and illegal, and have done the same when it came to a local Commander who had conducted himself immorally and illegally. We are obligated to follow lawful orders and exhibit both loyalty and professionalism, but true faith and allegiance isn't blind, and I never swore blind allegiance to anything. Maybe the Constitution.
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CW5 Roy Rucker Sr. I would have loved to be in your house during the Bush years.. I am sure that your tone and admiration would be different.
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CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
SSgt L OI, I will use the same post for this as I used for my reply to your individual response: SSgt L OI, I don't usually respond to idiots, but in this case I will surely make an acception. I don't get your G-thing reference and my professional conduct is colorless. I'm currently still serving on my 26th year and that has afforded me the opportunity to serve under several Commanders-in-Chiefs. Regardless of their color or political standing, I respected them the same, just like I do with President Obama. I didn't respond to your last post because it wasn't hard to tell where you were going with your statement, but when President Bush was the CIC, I asked this same question in a professional forum of about 500 service members because of the level of disrespect he was getting from service members of all races and political backgrounds.
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SSG David Gentile This whole thread is conspicuous. Here comes another guy with the spiel out of nowhere. His ad lib thoughts are not that he saw something he didn't like. He came to this site when an agenda. I do not appreciate being deceived and this is pure deception.
And it cuts along ideological lines. All of us while active duty play it safe for this very reason, that and there was no internet as we know it today back in the days of President Carter. There was a stifling of speech and it was becoming old.
This is censorship, because he isn't posting in other places. He drops in, makes a very bold statement, like maybe calling SMs supervisors and starting crap or at least encouraging it. Then he makes his comment. Definitely, yes! It is sad so many great people are being duped by a disingenuous person.
This is political correctness and it is a shame. He is giving conservatives no compromises and using the bully pulpit with extreme prejudice. This group has got the IRS into it and appears that we have the Penultimate 'Manchurian Candidate'. Do not opine because that makes a person racist....
And it cuts along ideological lines. All of us while active duty play it safe for this very reason, that and there was no internet as we know it today back in the days of President Carter. There was a stifling of speech and it was becoming old.
This is censorship, because he isn't posting in other places. He drops in, makes a very bold statement, like maybe calling SMs supervisors and starting crap or at least encouraging it. Then he makes his comment. Definitely, yes! It is sad so many great people are being duped by a disingenuous person.
This is political correctness and it is a shame. He is giving conservatives no compromises and using the bully pulpit with extreme prejudice. This group has got the IRS into it and appears that we have the Penultimate 'Manchurian Candidate'. Do not opine because that makes a person racist....
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This is why I'm so glad I'm retired now. At least I did not have to have him as my "Commander in Chump" when I was in the box. I feel sorry for those who must do their job while this guy is boss.
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Hell no...this POS (or is that POTUS) has no respect for the military community and even less respect for the office of CIC. Why should any active duty service member be held to a higher standard than him?
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Please Define the disrespect you speak OF...... are they saying that he doesn't know how to use his military assets wisely,or that using and abusing them while taking away more and more of their benefits or that he is a piece of sh** if i had more info that might help answer the question a little better........
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CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
CPL Eric Allen, I'm speaking of disrespect to the office of the Commander in Chief and all that goes with the position.
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CPL Eric Allen
Well then that's a little easier I think a president deserves the respect that all others presidents before him got. But when you try to bend or alter the constitution in ways the might weaken civilians freedoms I think there might be a problem with the office he is in.
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Right on sir. I answered this previously what are you defining as disrespect? As a sitting president has the same obligation and oath to the constitution that I have. I cannot respect the person who doesn't take it seriously or show proper lawful allegiance to our constitution which derives our authority.
Most generally a disagreement regarding his policies is not disrespect
Most generally a disagreement regarding his policies is not disrespect
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