Posted on Mar 6, 2017
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No, but by the results I see a considerable portion of the respondents are drinking the kool-aid.
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PO3 John Wagner
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Are they still considered koolaid drinkers Sir?
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CW2 Jalistair B
CW2 Jalistair B
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This is a fun one. So four years ago you stated that Obama didn't order wire taps against President Trump, yet at the same time we already knew he did. In fact, here are some really cool headlines from CNN for you to consider!

CNN, Sunday, March 5, 2017: "Trump's baseless wiretap claim"

September 5, 2017: "Donald Trump just flat-out lied about Trump Tower wiretapping"

September 18, 2017: "Exclusive: US government wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman"
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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Yes he could have. He probably didn't need to. He had enough toadies at NSA or Justice to do it without direct WH involvement. Just like the IRS.
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SPC Michael Tierney - At least he went to a military academy. And he hs actually earned his money.
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SPC Michael Tierney
SPC Michael Tierney
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Don had to go to boarding school. He didn't decide to go. And he inherited more money than he has now. Don is a complete fraud. He got a bundle from daddy, some by questionable transfers of assets, and proceeded to build the most fantastic casinos in the world. That promptly went bankrupt. Of course Don siphoned off plenty of the cash they did generate leaving the workers and bond holders with nothing. And he earned a bunch scamming people with Trump University. That was quite a success story.
As for preferring Obama in my unit. Absolutely. There is no one I would trust less than Trump.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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I voted you down because of the inflammatory and divisive threatening comments that you posted. There were some good debatable comments/questions in there but they got lost in the irate comments about smack downs, knocking damn sense into people, and putting people down or locked up...those comments are not needed on this forum...you can get your point across a lot better by not inflaming your audience.
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SPC Edward Abney
SPC Edward Abney
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - This question should have never been published! Service to our Nation and Veterans affairs should never be mixed with Politics.
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Cpl Steven Brewer
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Highly doubtful....anyone that calls Obama a "known liar" while defending Trump is just ignorant. Trump is nothing more than a draft-dodging, incompetent fool who disrespects prisoners of war. He does not care about Veterans/active-duty personnel. Besides, there is literally no need to wire-tap Trump, he can't keep his mouth shut for a single second about classified/personal information.
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Joe Dionne
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trump is not a life long politican therefore he is open, candid and not a liar like the others
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SPC John Tacetta
SPC John Tacetta
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Word.
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CW2 Jalistair B
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And yet the FBI itself even admitted they wiretapped President Trump on behalf of Obama. Looks like Trump was right, again, and Obama lied.
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Cpl Steven Brewer
Cpl Steven Brewer
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CW2 Jalistair B Lol...no they did not. DOJ stated the FBI and NSD do NOT have any info regarding specific wiretape allegations by Trump.

You also forget that the FBI, etc do not go through the Commander-in-Chief for every investigation.

Stop supporting a traitor and insurrectionist....that's all Trump is at this point.

You also forget Trump had meetings with FOREIGN assets and encouraged other countries to hack our systems to affect the election.

I am so fuken tired of my fellow veterans' ignorance.

Trump called us losers and suckers. Get you head out for the sand.
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SSG Jessica Bautista
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Nyope. Nope. Noooooo.
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PO3 John Wagner - Republicans wiil sweep the 2020 elections. What a beautiful world Republican (RINOs excluded) Senate, Huse and 4 more years of PRESIDENT TRUMP.
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SPC John Tacetta
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TSgt (Join to see) - It seems the Republicans must now advance to the rear and regroup.
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CW2 Jalistair B
CW2 Jalistair B
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Yet here we are, we waited long enough and found out President Trump was right this entire time. Obama did wiretap President Trump.
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CW2 Jalistair B
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SPC John Tacetta - Not exactly. Republicans did sweep the elections from the top position all the way down to the local elections. The only reason President Trump is not in office right now is do to Dominion Vote Flipping Machines. It is also why GA just placed two democrat senators into office. But, in many ways this was a good thing. Now we can see how great of a president President Trump was. Without him in office we have a illegal alien border crossing problem that we didn't used to have. We have national debt that is increasing at an even more rapid rate than it was when Pres Trump was in office and that was a hard feat to accomplish! North Korea has no respect for Illegitimate Joe and is for the first time in four years launching ballistic missiles. Iran, is now spooling up their nuclear projects. Russia is practically in a cold war with the US. China is openly mocking the US. Tens of thousands of US jobs are already canceled in the US and more will follow as we start having EPA restrictions and higher taxes. Yep, this current admin is really screwing things up!
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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Two things here. He could have ordered directly or said something like "I sure would like to hear what he is saying" both cause action. The first is a legal go do it order, the second is a wish that gives plausible deniability should he get caught...he didn't tell anyone to do it, they did it on their own. Did he do it, I don't know and I really don't care at this point. When Obama went into office he blamed everything on Bush. Bush blamed every uh oh on Clinton...par for the course. I just wish they would drop it and get to the matters at hand and get business done. It is like raffiki said to Simba after he hit him on the head and Simba asked why...Raffiki stated it does not matter, it is in the past. It still hurts but you learn from it and move one. Let's move on and get going on fixing the country!!! Did Obama do it...probably but my guess is we will never know the truth.
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Marion Ryberg
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But it DOES matter because if true, it could happen again to a president who is a globalist/open borders guy & I like borders & countries & not diversity for the sake of diversity as now. I believe in merits to get you the job you want. I believe in a melting pot America, not whatever you call the America that Obama left after 8 years.
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SPC Brian Stephens
SPC Brian Stephens
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obama sounds very Nixonesque in your response. There is no evidence Nixon ordered any wrongdoing. But he does take responsibility for possibly saying something that influenced action.
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PFC LaVada Strickland
PFC LaVada Strickland
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Where is the debt now?
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MAJ James Woods
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Nope. No reason to do so. And if there was enough evidence for probable cause to get a federal judge to do so, that information would've already been made public and further justifying an independent investigation by the DOJ and a Bipartisan investigation by Congress.
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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Marion Ryberg - One other thing, the two IDIOTS that were trying to investigate her, Chaffetz, and Gowdy, have taken themselves out of the picture. WHY? Chaffetz is being investigated by the FBI for Campaign finance fraud, while Gowdy, quit the Ethics Committee.
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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PO3 J.W. Nelson - They are not going to prison. The emails are on Clintons website. She released them long time ago. Second, the two IDIOTS that were trying to investigate her, Chaffetz, and Gowdy, have taken themselves out of the picture. WHY? Chaffetz is being investigated by the FBI for Campaign finance fraud, while Gowdy, quit the Ethics Committee.
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MSG David King
MSG David King
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There is not a court in the land that is not corrupt so pretty much everything you said is bullshit.
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MAJ James Woods
MAJ James Woods
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MSG David King With that logic of yours, why even wear the uniform and defend the Constitution if you think our US court system can easily be like a court in a third world government. You, MSG, are full of bullshit.
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CW4 Leonard White
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No! As a retired military Intelligence Warrant who worked in the "Surveillance" field (I'll leave it at that) I know how the system works. If President Obama had ordered the Trump campaign be "tapped" without following the procedures and getting the ok from the FISA court I have to wonder how would do (I know I wouldn't but I wouldn't be asked) and you would be reading about it in the Washington Post or New York Times or both. I wish people would stop believing that intelligence professionals don't believe in the rule or law or the constitution. I know I carried a copy of the constitution with me my last 10 years of my 35 year career, from 2002 to 2012 because I had to "educate" some folks.
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SP5 Lawrence ONeill
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Chief, you are totally right. Firstly, all the prople I worked with would have refused to do it, and if it had been done, the fact would have been leaked so fast. By and large the intelligence community is madeup of good and honorable folks who obey the law.
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Cpl Anthony Pearson
Cpl Anthony Pearson
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It would be naive to think that there aren't back-channel methods to have someone surveilled and/or wire-tapped, including and especially an up-and-coming political leader.
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SSG Rob Hanson
SSG Rob Hanson
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The way you do it is hire a foreign PR firm to falsify evidence then pass it through a few "Highly trusted" sources before shopping it around several different intelligence agencies in order to make sure they all dont want to be the "one that dropped the ball", then you lie to the FISA judge about where it came from in the first place... The whole shebang is out in the open and well documented. It's called manufacturing evidence and its precisely what happened to get the Trump campaign under surveillance that was then passed off to the DNC and Hillary campaign.
I have great respect for your service, integrity matters, just not to the cabal that was involved in all of this. That's why they had to lie to the FISA...
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CW2 Jalistair B
CW2 Jalistair B
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Nobody said Obama didn't go through the proper procedures, we have a trail from the White House to the FISA courts and we know Obama and Biden wire tapped President Trump.
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SPC Kevin Ford
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Could have, sure. I also could have robbed a bank. I didn't, of course, but physically possible? Sure.

Heck you could have robbed a bank and the only way to know for sure is to start an investigation. But we don't because "could have" and unverified nighttime tweets from an unreliable source are not usually how we justify the cost of such an investigation.
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1SG First Sergeant
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This is not the place for that type questions. This will not go well with folks from all sides.
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Thank you 1SG, I very much agree!
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SrA Arnold Costello
SrA Arnold Costello
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Thank you 1SG. Well said.
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SPC John Tacetta
SPC John Tacetta
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True.
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Sgt Mike Jacobi
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This has no place in this forum. There are plenty of venues on which to discuss politics. I object to ruining this one with this nonsense
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SrA Arnold Costello
SrA Arnold Costello
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Amen!
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