Posted on Feb 6, 2014
CPT Christopher F.
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In the most recent edition of Army Times, a Sergeant First Class puts forth the case to create a "Retirement Award" for those who serve twenty or more years.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Do you think this would be a good way to recognize people who stayed in for the long-haul? Or do you think it just another award for "checking the block" like the Army Service Ribbon?</div>
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LTC Retired
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There are awards for retirement, MSM or LOM and a Letter from the President, SecDef, flag flown over the Pentagon and a few other certificates.  The Army does not need to spend money developing another award.  The SFC in the article needs to research what is already available and request those awards, letters, and certificates.
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CW3 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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Awards are one of the most broken systems in the military. I have been to too many JRTC's where guidance is given to pick two E-4 and below for AAM's and one NCO for an ARCOM. Not because it was particularly earned, but those were the numbers given. I have seen senior NCO's get that same ARCOM given for 3 years of good and faithful service to a unit. 3 weeks vs. 3 years, no balance. I know there is a difference between service and achievement but there's just no balance. Like Sam Baker said. Soldiers with 30 years receiving ARCOM's. I was handed on of those for 3 years service in the infantry. How is that equal to 30 years? How does ones rank justify their service? I've seen too many awards get kicked back for truly amazing individuals because the award did not match their rank.
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CW3 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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I had the honor of serving in a DUSTOFF unit. I have seen pilots, crewchiefs and medics land to hot LZ's and run into fire to save someone several times a week. At the end of the day, they're told "That's what dustoff does." no award. PCS from DUSTOFF after two tours of "facing the enemy." AAM. I have seen privates get a CAB for "facing the enemy." because an IDF landed in their corner of the FOB ~250m away. He was in his room, watching a movie with headphones on. Completely unaware but fell within some arbitrary circle. I even watched the rules get changed on the go. In 2005, Iraq, too many CAB's were being given out for returning from flights with bullet holes in aircraft. (Because they always shot at us!) So, the rules changed. You had to have a grid and sworn statement of exactly where the fire came from to qualify for a CAB. If not the enemy, who shot the aircraft with 7.62x39? What happens when you fly through a complex ambush and wind up with no holes? No CAB. Meanwhile, your peers in another unit stands in formation as the entire unit pins them on. Once again, no balance.
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CPT Cmoc/ Cat Tl
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So true and I feel what you are saying.  What is worst is that soldiers (specially high ranking) that do not earn the CAB but get one, talk as if they were in real combat.
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SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET.
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LTC I left with a scanned set of orders after 31 years 10 months AC & RC.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Pesonally, I think they should go with a device for the Army Service Ribbon.. The ASR is pointless, so we might as well make it useful.
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SFC Rear Detachment Ncoic
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that makes sense! Why waste money on making new ribbons...
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Maj Chris Nelson
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I feel that I need a retirement medal just about as badly as I need the Cold War Medal that was talked about a few years ago... My retirement award is my DD214!!
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MAJ Population Health Nurse
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DD214, paycheck, and PX rights.  That's all I need.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Maj Nelson, there are a surprising amount of people who are genuinely upset about the lack of a cold war medal. It means a lot to some..
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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It has merit if placed correctly on the award rack which I agree with the initial proposal. It should be directly below the MOH for all services and above very achievement and honor bestowed on each retiree. Having seen way to many retirement ceremonies lately, I am astounded at the retirement award process. The regulation gives leeway to commanders to automatically consider and approve an award 2steps above the I service award received. To date in the last three years I have yet to witness a single individual receive and award higher than the one on their chest already. I have seen none LOM in my 21 years as a warrant officer. These regulations were written for everyone abc I sincerely believe civilians and commanders in the chain downgrade and even laugh at recommendations based upon rank and what's not on their chest. 

I do not say this out of spite, wishes to receives higher award, but rather having been an adjutant where I heard the discussions, the award boards just to get an award OUT of the unit. I heard a battalion commander say, no one deserves an MSM in my unit cause that is what I get when I leave! Got it sir, but as a platoon leader I still wrote them and submitted it without a rewrite as an ARCOM. Most commanders will not use the 638 and recommend a downgrade. Anyone ever seen an upgrade?

So back to the retirement award, it has merit and would be the culmination of everything ever served, achieved, accomplished or done during a career. It should rank where it highest and with the year appurtenance. Therefore it is an easy retirement award with true meaning, the highest achievement just shy of a MOH for each individual. It's rank in the order of individual awards is where it should be!  

Several things the NCO thought of is great design and color scheme, also for each service too! This should not just be an Army thing, it should be DoD. I think it has many advantages and surely this will hopefully stimulate some more conversation as it is good to get people thinking. Frankly I don't want to ever visit clothing and sales again, but I also would like to see a SFC receive this for retirement of 30 years versus an ARCOM!
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CMSgt James Nolan
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I tend to agree with the "nay sayers".  I do not see a need to invent a medal that says I have retired.  I will have the retirement certificate framed, along with a shadow box on display which will be the "proof".  If they do go ahead with it, will there be numbers for 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 30 etc?  I would tend to think it should be roman numerals if traveling that road.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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Not sure about every service, but in the Army I have never seen anyone retire with just the certificate.  The medal would relieve the S1, supervisors and many others who just don't put effort into writing, preparing or caring about the award that retirees receive for their service.  Not saying it is total commonplace but after 26.5 myself, sure seems if you left, that no one went out of their way to research your last decade of service to write an accurate recommendation. It is tough for a supervisor who knows you less than 24 months to write you an award for 20 plus of service.  I think this award would just help. Roman numerals would be appropriate. 
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SGM Matthew Quick
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This is simply one Soldier's proposal...not introduced by the Army.<div><br></div><div>I think it's a good idea...just another idea to hang on the retirement wall.</div>
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SSG Andrew Dydasco
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Checking the block, Sir.  You'll be getting an award for ETS, which will sum up all of your military exploits.  Why double it with an extra award?
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MSgt Vehicle Operations Superintendent
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Good answer Private!  You get a retirement decoration, and you get a pension!
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CPT Christopher F.
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I feel the same way. Most units look at your entire career in recommending your last award. This puts some people in for awards that their last duty assignment alone wouldn't make them eligible for, and I think it's great way to recognize the different contributions that different people make. 
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1LT(P) Josh Coats
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I would just like to see Soldiers actually be presented with their ETS/PCS awards.  I took over an office that had a pile of 34 different non-presented awards dating back 30 months, because it was not completed before the Soldier departed.  There are still 7 of these people that have not been located or have not offered a forwarding address.  Scanned into their OMPF is not the way to present awards.  I think this is why a Soldier would receive an ARCOM instead of an MSM.  It's all about the timeline for signatures.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Personally, I'd like to see a device for the Army Service Ribbon for retirement. Since retirement is a milestone in your Army service, I think it would make sense.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
SFC William Swartz Jr
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Not a bad idea, never thought about this one!
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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It'll give the award (ASR) a purpose too!
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1SG Michael Blount
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OH HELL NO.  The Army has enough medals as it is, and most of them aren't earned - they're given.  We often refer to them as candy.  This is one of those areas where the Army needs to take a page from the USMC playbook. You earn everything you get and when you retire, your monthly pension should be thanks enough.
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Capt Charters,

When and where would this medal be authorized to be worn?

Warmest Regards, Sandy
Capt Brandon Charters
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<p style="line-height: 24px; font-size: 16px; margin-bottom: 18px; padding-left: 160px; color: rgb(44, 44, 44); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Sandy- The article says it best..."Receiving the medal for your retirement means there won’t be many opportunities to wear it in uniform, Janotta said, beyond special events such as military balls." &nbsp;</p><p style="line-height: 24px; font-size: 16px; margin-bottom: 18px; padding-left: 160px; color: rgb(44, 44, 44); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">The level of precedence really stood out to me...second only to the MoH.&nbsp;</p><div><br></div>
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CPT Christopher F.
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The Sergeant First Class also recommended that the new "retirement award" take precedence over all other awards except the Medal of Honor. His reasoning is that the first ribbon you receive is the lowest ranking, and the last one you receive should be the highest. He views it as a way to, "close out" your ribbon rack. 

Do you think he's right? Or is this an insult to valor awards like the Silver Star and Distinguished Service Cross?
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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Couldn't that apply to all non-valor awards that rate higher than the Silver Star or the DSC? I imagine the same could be said about all those Gen Officer/Pentagon only awards that flood the chest of our senior most personnel..
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CW2 Automotive Maintenance Warrant Officer
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I would NOT even consider making it second to the MoH... However, I could see it given precedence over the Good Conduct Medal since it is almost the same thing but has a roman numeral for years of service
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SSG Recruiter
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I don't think it should even be close. If anything it should be the lowest ranking award.
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SSG Air Ambulance Nco
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The same way that any 638 should be (as stellar of a recommendation as the author can possibly write to reflect how much he/she thinks that retiring soldier deserves that award); If the SM bounced from staff to staff and had a few good Arms inspections then send them on their way with something that is EQUIVALENT to that performance.  20 years of drifting along and doing nothing more than what is asked of you is nothing to be ashamed of or punish.  Give an award that is appropriate for that level of work.  To even suggest that something equivalent to a "V" device being given out just for showing up is just another slippery slope that will wind up with yet another award being so watered down that no one gives it any respect any more (BSM anyone?).  Four blocks on the 638 and one narrative written on the enclosed page that accounts to a four paragraph bio on what the SM did for the Army in his/her 20 years.  If that's an MSM for someone that busted their tail then right on.  If that soldier never did anything harder than keeping up a high OR rating at a Motor Pool (no offense to anyone, please), then send them on their way with a nice flask and an ARCOM.  

If some silliness happened where Valor awards were being tossed around like candy just for retiring so someone can get a fancy license plate when they retire then I think I'll just take the V device off my chest and give it to some Eagle Scout.  So if my point wasn't obvious enough, LT, yeah it's insulting.  And ludicrous.  And whatever brilliant concoction of the two words that someone better read than myself could come up with.
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