Posted on Dec 16, 2014
Does a Veteran presenting a Challenge Coin carry the same weight as one still in service?
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As a Veteran, I have all my Challenge coins still in my possession, but do they carry the same weight as they did when you were enlisted as they would now when you challenge someone still in the service?
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 22
I have been coin checked a few times by vets and retirees. I usually "forget" where my coin is, buy them a drink and have them tell me about their coin.
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I got my first coin in the 80's after more than 10 years in service. I have about 30 now, including one 4-star coin.
I carry only one, a Turkish coin, which I carry because of it's rarity. I haven't been coined in years.
Let's face it - there's no regulation that covers coins. Like honor, their weight is what they mean to YOU, not to anyone else. If you don't want to play the game, that's not a problem. It's a choice. If you do want to play, do so, but don't look down on the one who doesn't.
Personally, if I am ever coined by a newly returned combat veteran, I hope I "forgot" my coin as someone else suggested. He needs a drink more than I need one.
I carry only one, a Turkish coin, which I carry because of it's rarity. I haven't been coined in years.
Let's face it - there's no regulation that covers coins. Like honor, their weight is what they mean to YOU, not to anyone else. If you don't want to play the game, that's not a problem. It's a choice. If you do want to play, do so, but don't look down on the one who doesn't.
Personally, if I am ever coined by a newly returned combat veteran, I hope I "forgot" my coin as someone else suggested. He needs a drink more than I need one.
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I still have my Active Duty Challenge coin from 10th SFG(A) which I received during in-processing in 1983. 10th Group was one of the first units to use the challenge coins. YOUR coin should hold the same weight as a Veteran, or Retiree as it did when you were in service!
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SSG Gerhard S.
I believe that's true... I was told when I got mine that 10th group was the first to mint a coin, and that the revenues were being used to pay for the lifesized wooden statue of the SF soldier that was kept in the common area of 10th Group HQ.
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I have my father's 10th Coin from his time and I have my own from 89-91. I tend to carry his.
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I had a couple of prior 75th Rangers over, one decides to do a coin check. I was out many years when this happened, but I must admit a bit of panic hit me when I realized what was going down. Good thing we were all at my house as I was buying all the drinks anyway. However it could had led to 100 reps of push-ups. The take away from this event was always carry a service coin. Its the military ID for prior service members.
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To my knowledge we didn't have these coins when I was in so I'm rather clueless on them. I know my ex has a SGM of the Army coin as the SGM showed up for his welcome home ceremony. I didn't know SecDef had one. I work for USDA, does the SecAg have one? LOL
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I think though with budgets and such, not so much now I bet. But now I want a SecAg coin damn it! LOL
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SPC Donald Moore
I was sent to work at the Pentagon for a short time and received a coin but it doesn't have any name on it. I was never sure if it was "any good".
What do you think?
What do you think?
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PO2 (Join to see)
I know the FBI has them because I had Dr. Greg Vecchi tell me to remind the university police chief I worked for that he will be receiving a challenge later when he was giving a guest lecture on hostage negotiation in one of my classes.
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A lot of government agencies and law enforcement communities use them. I personally only have the one from my "A" school and never did learn the rules for the game.
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SSG Buddy Kemper
Your Rule 1 was an Army rule too....the only guy/gal without a coin had to buy for everyone who DID have one... could get pretty expensive for a first term soldier....so I learned QUICK!!! Have to say a lot of older/more senior folks took care of the younger guys...even saw a few coins shared....like the guys were carrying more than one coin...I guess in case a lower ranking coin got trumped!!!!? I sure do miss the camaraderie brother.
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SSG Gerhard S.
I grew up under a slightly different set of rules. We had scopes of challenge... for instance dropping you coin on the floor to produce a sound, or holding it up in the air with a verbal challenge means the challenge is good for ALL who can hear the coin drop or the verbal challenge. Tapping the coin on the bar, or table means the challenge only applies to those at the table, or at the bar. Holding the coin between you and another person, or group and verbally calling a coin check applies only to those who can see the coin, and hear the challenge. ANY unit coin issued to a person is valid for a coin check. Appreciation coins are NOT valid for coin Checks.... These are the rules we had at 10th group, and the rules we solidified in writing at F Co. 425th Inf, LRS.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Also, we exempted use of coin-checks in the field, as we did not carry any unit identifying insignia in the field, or while deployed.
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PFC (Join to see) I never really got into coins, but I know a lot of folk will disagree on that count.
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SSG Gerhard S.
I got my first coin at Ft. Devens with 10th SFG (Signal Co) back in 1984... I still have it and rotate back and forth with my LRS coin.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Coin Check Constitution
Section I. Scope of this Constitution: All individuals indoctrinated into the Company are required to possess an authorized Company Coin within a period of 3 months of signing into the Company. In addition all authorized personnel must have their coin , on their person, or within one step and an arm’s length, at all times, unless moving to, moving from, or in a tactical field environment. In the event the Company is lacking coins for sale, an amnesty will be in place for all new personnel. Wearing a coin on a chain is not a coin, it is a necklace. Wearing a coin in a coin keeper around your neck is a coin. Drilling a hole in your coin and using it as a key fob is not a coin, it is a key fob.
Section II. The Anatomy of a Challenge: The Challenger is liable to purchase the beverage of choice, for all authorized Coin holders, present in the scope of his challenge: If, and only if, ALL such personnel meet the challenge by physically producing an authorized Coin. If one, or more challengees are unable to satisfactorily produce an authorized Coin, such personnel will be liable for the purchase of the above mentioned beverage of choice, for the challenger and all challengees, in the scope of the challenge, who are in physical possession of their Coins. If, following a challenge, a challenger or challengee is unable to fulfill his monetary obligation, an informal rain check is in order, or an agreed upon alternative is reached, in either case the honor system and peer-pressure will insure fulfillment of said obligation. A Coin Check Challenge may take place anytime, anywhere, except in a tactical field environment. A challengee may only be liable for losing one challenge until a sufficient time has passed to allow the Challengee an opportunity to obtain a coin.
Section III. Scopes of Challenge:
1. Individual -- The Challenger produces a Coin, to an authorized Coin Holder, in a private
manner, and must follow criteria defined in Section II of this Constitution.
2. Table -- The Challenger taps or drops the Coin on the table; this demonstrates that the Coin Check
is applicable only to authorized Coin holders seated at the table.
3. Room -- The Challenger drops his Coin on the floor, and declares "Coin Check." All Authorized
personnel in ear shot must produce a Coin, or be liable for the consequences outlined in Section II
of this Constitution.
Section IV. Definitions:
1. Challenge: An intentional or unintentional display of the coin which fits the criteria outlined in Section III of this Constitution.
2. Authorization: Any person who has been a member of an elite unit which produces for its
members, a fraternal Coin, or any person granted a Coin either ceremoniously, or otherwise by a
member of the above mentioned elite units, is authorized to carry a Coin, and in so doing, agree to
the tenants of the Coin Check Constitution.
3. Any authorized person who either intentionally, or unintentionally conducts a CoiCheck in a
manner so described in Section III of this Constitution.
4. Challengee: Any authorized person who is confronted by a challenger as described in Section III
of this Constitution.
Section I. Scope of this Constitution: All individuals indoctrinated into the Company are required to possess an authorized Company Coin within a period of 3 months of signing into the Company. In addition all authorized personnel must have their coin , on their person, or within one step and an arm’s length, at all times, unless moving to, moving from, or in a tactical field environment. In the event the Company is lacking coins for sale, an amnesty will be in place for all new personnel. Wearing a coin on a chain is not a coin, it is a necklace. Wearing a coin in a coin keeper around your neck is a coin. Drilling a hole in your coin and using it as a key fob is not a coin, it is a key fob.
Section II. The Anatomy of a Challenge: The Challenger is liable to purchase the beverage of choice, for all authorized Coin holders, present in the scope of his challenge: If, and only if, ALL such personnel meet the challenge by physically producing an authorized Coin. If one, or more challengees are unable to satisfactorily produce an authorized Coin, such personnel will be liable for the purchase of the above mentioned beverage of choice, for the challenger and all challengees, in the scope of the challenge, who are in physical possession of their Coins. If, following a challenge, a challenger or challengee is unable to fulfill his monetary obligation, an informal rain check is in order, or an agreed upon alternative is reached, in either case the honor system and peer-pressure will insure fulfillment of said obligation. A Coin Check Challenge may take place anytime, anywhere, except in a tactical field environment. A challengee may only be liable for losing one challenge until a sufficient time has passed to allow the Challengee an opportunity to obtain a coin.
Section III. Scopes of Challenge:
1. Individual -- The Challenger produces a Coin, to an authorized Coin Holder, in a private
manner, and must follow criteria defined in Section II of this Constitution.
2. Table -- The Challenger taps or drops the Coin on the table; this demonstrates that the Coin Check
is applicable only to authorized Coin holders seated at the table.
3. Room -- The Challenger drops his Coin on the floor, and declares "Coin Check." All Authorized
personnel in ear shot must produce a Coin, or be liable for the consequences outlined in Section II
of this Constitution.
Section IV. Definitions:
1. Challenge: An intentional or unintentional display of the coin which fits the criteria outlined in Section III of this Constitution.
2. Authorization: Any person who has been a member of an elite unit which produces for its
members, a fraternal Coin, or any person granted a Coin either ceremoniously, or otherwise by a
member of the above mentioned elite units, is authorized to carry a Coin, and in so doing, agree to
the tenants of the Coin Check Constitution.
3. Any authorized person who either intentionally, or unintentionally conducts a CoiCheck in a
manner so described in Section III of this Constitution.
4. Challengee: Any authorized person who is confronted by a challenger as described in Section III
of this Constitution.
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1SG David Little
^^^ Yep. That is how I remember it. The time I was in bed with a woman, I had my pants adjacent to the bed within arms reach! Naturally, the woman was a bit miffed about the coin check. LOL.
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Served from 1979 to 1992 and never heard for them when I was in and only headr about them about 10 years ago. Have only seen one or two even then.
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