Posted on Jan 14, 2023
Does anyone have advice on trying to find work after Active Duty?
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At the end of June of 2022 I moved from Hawaii back to Southern California so I could get my Master of Divinity in Pastoral Care and Counseling at Biola. I am currently a Chaplain Candidate and Social Media Manager with 426th CA BN (A). I have tried Indeed and sending out every application I can. I’ve been to a few job interviews but was told their looking for someone with more experience even though they really liked me. I switch to 90% online so I can work full time and I even then I can’t get anything comittal.
It’s not like I’m looking for a quick job. Im trying to find something I can sink my teeth into and work at for at least 5 years while im going through my Masters Program. However, I just can’t seem to catch a break.
If anyone has any advice, recommendations, etc. I would be more than grateful.
It’s not like I’m looking for a quick job. Im trying to find something I can sink my teeth into and work at for at least 5 years while im going through my Masters Program. However, I just can’t seem to catch a break.
If anyone has any advice, recommendations, etc. I would be more than grateful.
Posted 3 y ago
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Have you used LinkedIn? As a vet you can get a free year of LinkedIn premium. One of the advantages here is you can sort people by almost everything and reach out to people with things in common with you to ask if they like working at their company ti start a conversation. Also you can sort by the job title "recruiter" and connect with them. It's a great tool.
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My first job interview after completing a mechanics course it was the same. After the boss came out with that line, I looked him right in the eye and replied with a command voice, "You are all the same, wanting someone with more experience. How is a guy like me suppose to get more experience if no one wants to give guys like me a chance?". I continued to look him direct in the eye with a stern look. Finally after a period of silence, he replied, "Well, seeing how you put it that way, I am going to give you a shot".
You want something, reach out and get it. I believe sometimes this is the common line to test people, to see if they really want the job or not.
You want something, reach out and get it. I believe sometimes this is the common line to test people, to see if they really want the job or not.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Hey friend. I am also a Chaplain candidate, just ETS'd to head to grad school. I have 14 years in, this is actually my second ETS. Here is some advice that may be helpful to you at the moment.
Check out the USO pathfinder transition program. This can be a lunching point for you to build some more plans of attack in trying to get hired, and they will have access to a variety of resources and networks that can further guide and support your job search.
Get started on your LinkedIn profile. It may ake a while to get it they way you want it, if you want a quality profile like some of the best out there, and want civilian organizations to understand your worth. Build your connections for a while, then send a respectful message requesting endorsements or recommendations from all your connections. See if there is a LinkedIn workshop near you and take it. The way I was taught is that LinkedIn should be a power-boost to your resume. If you put that little custom LinkedIn link at the top of your resume, they should be able to head to your profile and get further information on everything in the resume and see a bit of personal flare, plus view your endorsements and recommendations from co-workers. Add me if you'd like and scroll through my connections to see some good examples of veteran profiles, in my opinion.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-caley
Look into federal work and see what's open at USAjobs.com. Find a local veteran resource that will help you build your federal resume or call military one source.
Also, don't forget to network. Some crazy percentage, like 75%, of all jobs are secured through networking, skipping the entire hiring process. Word of mouth is still everything in most jobs. Reach out via LinkedIn, friends, family, fellow soldiers, etc. Build yourself a respectful email template that you can push out to everyone to strike up a conversation about how your looking for work and would love to speak to such and such more if they have a few minutes or know of any opportunities.
Good luck my friend! Message me if I can be of help.
Check out the USO pathfinder transition program. This can be a lunching point for you to build some more plans of attack in trying to get hired, and they will have access to a variety of resources and networks that can further guide and support your job search.
Get started on your LinkedIn profile. It may ake a while to get it they way you want it, if you want a quality profile like some of the best out there, and want civilian organizations to understand your worth. Build your connections for a while, then send a respectful message requesting endorsements or recommendations from all your connections. See if there is a LinkedIn workshop near you and take it. The way I was taught is that LinkedIn should be a power-boost to your resume. If you put that little custom LinkedIn link at the top of your resume, they should be able to head to your profile and get further information on everything in the resume and see a bit of personal flare, plus view your endorsements and recommendations from co-workers. Add me if you'd like and scroll through my connections to see some good examples of veteran profiles, in my opinion.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-caley
Look into federal work and see what's open at USAjobs.com. Find a local veteran resource that will help you build your federal resume or call military one source.
Also, don't forget to network. Some crazy percentage, like 75%, of all jobs are secured through networking, skipping the entire hiring process. Word of mouth is still everything in most jobs. Reach out via LinkedIn, friends, family, fellow soldiers, etc. Build yourself a respectful email template that you can push out to everyone to strike up a conversation about how your looking for work and would love to speak to such and such more if they have a few minutes or know of any opportunities.
Good luck my friend! Message me if I can be of help.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
My apologies. My vague-ness is just opennes to anything at this point.
Ideally I’d like to be involved in something that helps people. The problem is that in CA, a lot of the stuff such as being a Chaplain for first responders, or working as a religious rep in hospitals, etc. require a Master’s degree.
I have some experience in ministry, teaching, ABA, and Administration. With 3 degrees. 2 AA’s. 1 BA. Complete.
AA. In Social and Behavioral Sciences
A.A. In Mathematics and Physical Scicnes
B.A. in Psychology
And I am working on my MDiv.
My apologies. My vague-ness is just opennes to anything at this point.
Ideally I’d like to be involved in something that helps people. The problem is that in CA, a lot of the stuff such as being a Chaplain for first responders, or working as a religious rep in hospitals, etc. require a Master’s degree.
I have some experience in ministry, teaching, ABA, and Administration. With 3 degrees. 2 AA’s. 1 BA. Complete.
AA. In Social and Behavioral Sciences
A.A. In Mathematics and Physical Scicnes
B.A. in Psychology
And I am working on my MDiv.
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LtCol Robert Quinter
1LT (Join to see) - There are very few jobs that are truly "dead end". As a former business manager reviewing your education, you would seem to fit into human resources or first level supervisor. You fail to mention your specific experience in the military or your path to a commission, both of which could potentially be emphasized as a substitute for experience in some areas. The path to your goal is sometimes less than a straight line. You could potentially work into your chaplain position through volunteer work or community service in the areas you're interested in.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
SSG Bill McCoy it’s worth looking but becoming a VA counselor generally requires a Masters
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1LT (Join to see) Before the interview, do your research so that you know the company and position that you are interviewing for. Practice the interview so that you are comfortable in handling any question that is thrown at you. Finding a job takes hard work and commitment. Good luck.
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Look for companies that have government contracts and even sub-contracts (over $10K). They have some obligation to hire & promote Veterans. Try not to stress your divinity qualifications if you see from a company's website that they have a DEI officer or program as they may not want what THEY see as a, "Holy Roller," in today's woke climate. If it comes up, push the counselling aspect of your education background. Put some emphasis on your leadership qualities.
Take heart ... in my day, Veterans (because of Vietnam) were overtly discriminated against, i.e., I was told in more than one inteview they didn't hire Vets because, "You guys who were in Nam and Germany, were known to use drugs." Today's climate for Veterans is much, MUCH better thankfully. Even the company I ultimately worked for would tell me, "You military people! You only see things in black and white; there's no gray areas with you!" LOL Still, as a gov't contractor, I had "some" measure of protection.
Another aspect of today's workforce is companies have gone to a 401K penson plan. My company pushed the idea that, "You can leave and take your pension with you!" The meaning of that was they only wanted most employees to stay somwhere <5 years and a max of 10. Try to talk to employees about that and whether or not the company looks for CAREER oriented people such as yourself.
Best of luck to you!
Take heart ... in my day, Veterans (because of Vietnam) were overtly discriminated against, i.e., I was told in more than one inteview they didn't hire Vets because, "You guys who were in Nam and Germany, were known to use drugs." Today's climate for Veterans is much, MUCH better thankfully. Even the company I ultimately worked for would tell me, "You military people! You only see things in black and white; there's no gray areas with you!" LOL Still, as a gov't contractor, I had "some" measure of protection.
Another aspect of today's workforce is companies have gone to a 401K penson plan. My company pushed the idea that, "You can leave and take your pension with you!" The meaning of that was they only wanted most employees to stay somwhere <5 years and a max of 10. Try to talk to employees about that and whether or not the company looks for CAREER oriented people such as yourself.
Best of luck to you!
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SSG Bill McCoy
SGT Charlie Lee whoa... I did NOT say ANY Christian Chaplain was/is woke; I said in today's woke climate, some [woke] COMPANIES withe DEI officers may see him as a "Holy Roller." (DEI - Diversity, Equity, Inclusion)
I was also not knocking 401K's. I have both a fixed pension because it was vested, that the company froze when they switched to the 401k. I said part of the reason they went to 401k's was that some companies do not want career employees.
I was also not knocking 401K's. I have both a fixed pension because it was vested, that the company froze when they switched to the 401k. I said part of the reason they went to 401k's was that some companies do not want career employees.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SGT Charlie Lee - Charlie - I wasn't/didn't mean to be, defensive; just clairifying for ya. :)
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Try Work For Warriors.
The office is in Sacramento, but they help a lot of servicemembers and veterans in So Cal.
https://workforwarriors.org/
The office is in Sacramento, but they help a lot of servicemembers and veterans in So Cal.
https://workforwarriors.org/
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I am not clear in all of your points, How are you getting out as a 2LT, and you are a chaplain candidate? What does cleared yourself to work 90% online? If your goal is to get a degree as a Pastor, why not simply do it through the military and recieve it all for free and be paid for a full time job at the same time. The military needs driven and caring people to become chaplains in order to provide comfort, solice, and care for the soul.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
SSG Bill McCoy I do fully understand that, it does not make sense (for me) to review profiles to respond to RFIs. I believe people can add the required info, or go off line and have a direct conversation if the person is seeking additional support.
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Has No Body Been Taught HOW To Write A Resume And WHAT To Say?
It's Great To Be 100% HONEST,, But It's Even BETTER To Get The Job!
No Time To Explain It HERE, But I'm An 8th GRADE DROP OUT.
Self Educated Through U.S.A.F.I. During My 4 Year USAF Enlistment.
And Our Education Was FREE.......I Spent 4 Years Studying, MAINLY, Business Management.
But On My Resume, I Was"A College Grad With A MASTERS In BUSINESS MANAGEMENT,
With ONLY A 3.4 GPA."....BUT I Was And AM, Still Damned Good In The Field.
F.M.C. Hired Me As An Industrial Purchasing Agent, In The Michigan Office...
Within A Short Period Of Time, I Was Promoted Directly To The Office Of
Purchasing Director In It's Indiana Plant........ Bypassing Assistant PA.
SO, If You KNOW You Can Do The Job, And Are Willing To Work & Learn As You Go,
What Do You Even NEED A Degree For?....
Just Learn To Write A Great Resume;... The Rest Is Bull Sh*t Anyway...
I'm SURE My Resumes Were BETTER Than Any Of Disney's Fiction Writer's Stories.
~~ Dress-Up Your Resume SO Well, It'll Get Invited Out To Dinner. ~~
It's Great To Be 100% HONEST,, But It's Even BETTER To Get The Job!
No Time To Explain It HERE, But I'm An 8th GRADE DROP OUT.
Self Educated Through U.S.A.F.I. During My 4 Year USAF Enlistment.
And Our Education Was FREE.......I Spent 4 Years Studying, MAINLY, Business Management.
But On My Resume, I Was"A College Grad With A MASTERS In BUSINESS MANAGEMENT,
With ONLY A 3.4 GPA."....BUT I Was And AM, Still Damned Good In The Field.
F.M.C. Hired Me As An Industrial Purchasing Agent, In The Michigan Office...
Within A Short Period Of Time, I Was Promoted Directly To The Office Of
Purchasing Director In It's Indiana Plant........ Bypassing Assistant PA.
SO, If You KNOW You Can Do The Job, And Are Willing To Work & Learn As You Go,
What Do You Even NEED A Degree For?....
Just Learn To Write A Great Resume;... The Rest Is Bull Sh*t Anyway...
I'm SURE My Resumes Were BETTER Than Any Of Disney's Fiction Writer's Stories.
~~ Dress-Up Your Resume SO Well, It'll Get Invited Out To Dinner. ~~
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