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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff, "right wing talking point"? I have to disagree. I apologize up front if this lengthy post seems I'm specifically criticizing you, but the threat of TikTok is real as almost every cybersecurity firm, geopolitical analyst and intelligence agency will tell you.

I think the politicians on the right are probably more vocal about the threats posed by TikTok, but it is a very bipartisan* view that it is a threat and most cybersecurity firms agree*. The US and our Five Eye partners have all implemented bans of TikTok being present on federal government devices due to the threat it poses and many other countries have implemented restrictions as well. Additionally 34 (25 'Republican' and 9 'Democrat') of the 50 states have banned TikTok on state owned devices.

Yes, the previous administration was very outspoken about the threat, but that's no reason to dismiss it as some right-wing propaganda, just like it's unwise for some to dismiss everything coming from the present administration as left-wing propaganda.

The main concerns with TikTok is not that they know what cat videos you are watching or that you share comic book videos, it's that the application has the ability to collect from users sensitive information which is often taken without the user’s explicit knowledge and that more broadly it poses a risk to U.S. security because the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) has the ability to leverage the app for influence operations and as a data harvesting clearinghouse.

The app itself can collect and store data on their servers which includes device brand and model, Operating System (OS) version, mobile carrier, browsing history, app and file names and types, keystroke patterns or rhythms, wireless connections, and geolocation*. Additionally, if you have the TikTok application installed and use it's credentials as a single-sign on (SSO) for other sites, then they can access those sites through the application without your knowledge*. Finally, if you have other applications running on your device, TikTok has the ability to access them which will allow the app to work with the permissions of that application and access data that it does*.

Yes, that AP article you referenced does show the claims from the company that it will change it's data practices and store US data on servers owned by Oracle and maintained within the country and delete the US data off the servers that are in China by the end of the year. However, while it is unknown if ByteDance (the company that owns TikTok) has given information to the Chinese Government, they have accessed data from users in the United States* in the past and have the ability to continue to do so. While ByteDance said they have never shared data with the Chinese government and would never do so, the CEO also recently testified to Congress that they never accessed US user data, so their credibility is suspect.

Furthermore the Chinese government can, and has in the past with other companies, force them to comply with Chinese Intelligence Security law which requires them to turn over whatever information the government requests and/or cooperate with a wide array of intelligence work. Just one example would be the CCP changing the app's recommendation algorithm to manipulate content and even use it to subtly conduct influence operations as the algorithm determines what content a user sees. This means TikTok’s engineers can direct the app to serve content friendly to CCP interests, such as by prioritizing videos in users’ feeds which support the CCP’s claim over Taiwan.

TikTok has already shown a willingness to push narratives aligned with CCP interests within the platform. Forbes* notes that TikTok features several accounts run by the CCP’s propaganda arms who have amassed millions of followers and tens of millions of views by posting divisive content about U.S. politics. This has included criticizing candidates in both major parties leading up to the 2022 elections.

Moreover, TikTok also exerts influence through what the platform deliberately excludes in the form of censorship, thereby distorting users’ perceptions. A TikTok executive disclosed to U.K. lawmakers in 2020 that the app censored videos, revealed Foreign Policy*. This included content about China’s repression of the Xinjiang region’s Uyghur population.

Earlier this year, TikTok suspended Russian nationals’ access to the app, demonstrating TikTok’s willingness to censor materials even outside of China-focused content. TikTok claimed the decision was driven by its commitment to adhere to Russia’s so-called “fake news” law designed to control the narrative about the war in Ukraine, but as written in VICE, researchers found that international content about the war was blocked, while pro-Putin narratives remained available on the platform.

But this shouldn't be a worry because nobody believes what they see on Social Media, right?

If you want to use another comparison, then China has over 133 million digital sleeper agents in the United States and over 1 billon of them around the globe and they have the ability and resources to activate them and are only waiting on the political will to do so.

When security professional conduct a comprehensive security risk assessment they use an age old formula to determine if their security is adequate: Risk = Threat + Consequences + Vulnerability, or to put it more broadly, the likelihood of a threat occurring, what the potential consequences are if that threat occurs, and how vulnerable are you to that threat. Right now all three components of that formula are rated as high or very high.

As my old boss and current Director NSA/Commander USCYBERCOM recently said, "China has already said they're going to 'touch the data at any time they want to touch this data'. This concerns me"*.

So no, this isn't some right-wing talking point nor is it about cat videos or comic book videos. There are very legitimate security concerns regarding the application and what a potential adversary can do with it.
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* https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tiktok-ban-democrats-china-challenge/
* https://www.cisecurity.org/insights/blog/why-tiktok-is-the-latest-security-threat
* https://www.cisecurity.org/insights/blog/tiktok-influence-ops-data-practices-threaten-us-security
* https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/threat-protection/understanding-information-tiktok-gathers-and-stores
* https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/06/tiktok-expands-integrations-with-third-party-apps-for-logins-sharing-sounds-and-more/
* https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-tapes-us-user-data-china-bytedance-access
* https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2022/12/01/tiktok-chinese-state-media-divisive-politics/?sh=752417795e64
* https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/12/tiktok-security-concerns-china-european-union-social-media/
* https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3354874/leaders-say-tiktok-is-potential-cybersecurity-risk-to-us/
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Sgt Commander, Dav Chapter #90
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This is the most concise response I have read about TIKTOK... and I, for one, am honored that you took the time to post this valuable insight... I fear for our Country and all our citizens and I see what China is pushing out to the people of the world with their Social Media site, TikTok. We, as a world power, need to heed what we see from such a formidable adversary...
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I like this right-wing talking point parody from Babylon bee that former Biden FCC Candidate wants to censor.

https://youtu.be/HlDWzN6TW5Y

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Tick Tock is a serious threat. Also the secret police stations and the Confucius societies set up in major cities and on campuses for free speeches of Taiwan and harassed expatriates and threaten family member who still may be in China.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7734158/china-pressure-activists-canada-uyghur-hong-kong-tibet-spying/
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May I remind the American audience that when the General's daughter AKA though Chinese Huawei executive was detained in Canada on request of the US justice department for Huawei selling prohibited Communications equipment to iran, the Chinese government detained two Canadian diplomats and put them in a prison that had lights on 24 hours per day. They were also not allowed to see diplomatic counsel for a long time during the covid lockdown. That was their excuse. China is not our friend.

If you look up on the world freedom scale, Taiwan has a higher Democratic score than the USA does. I bet you the USA is even lower now that we realize how much the justice department and the Deep State have stifled free speech and the President Biden is still trying to fight this encroachment.

I thought this was newsworthy to the US audience because the media is so focused on getting president Trump and the make America great again Republicans and ignoring Democrat mistakes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58687071
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LTC Trent Klug
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Well said COL Randall C.

I despise Tik Tok but I have to temper that as my small business uses it to advertise via videos on there.
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COL Randall C.
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CSM Charles Hayden, as long as you remain within the community standards*, you should be fine. Accessing TikTok videos through a web URL are no more dangerous to the platform or an individual's system than most of the sites that many members post.
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* https://rallypoint.my.site.com/Support/s/global-search/standards
* https://docs.google.com/document/d/13S7FUn2IyKDn48lQ-bEJsf_qBbf-hZkniUIfjJ3oJSY/edit
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SGT Charlie Lee - Disclaimers such as NFF, NSFW and others are ALWAYS appreciated ☺
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SGT Charlie Lee - Not Family Friendly and Not Safe For Work
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Sgt Commander, Dav Chapter #90
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I am not sure where you are headed with this, CSM Charles Hayden, but I, for one, take a hard line with TikTok as this company's owners (China) are fundamentally one of two primary U.S. Adversaries! Yet under President Biden, we are not taking a hard line with them, and depend heavily on products that are provided by them... All information taken from TikTok's members goes into the hands of China, eventually, which can use that information (videos, images, statements, facts, etc.) against us in some way or fashion which places us in a negative manner among global allies and adversaries... Accordingly, any obtuse or unusual TikTok videos may wind up on RP or other social media sites... and again be used against us... Just saying...
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Wondering what the contract about our (U.S.A) claimed indebtedness to China looks like.
Did we or didn't we borrow from China.
If so we may have no choice about purchasing a plethora of products from China. Would it be a choice about what type of products we are allowed or required to purchase?
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