Does "war" in general create glamorized, perfect warriors and non-glamorized, imperfect family/mothers/children (in the same world)?

PFC James Craft - You could definitely run a dojo type business, focus on personal safety, women's safety (like best moves to stun/stop an attacker & get away quickly, and safely). Channeling your expertise could help a lot of people, and yourself in the process.

Mr. Burroughs For President if ever that position opened for a real leader
He is a leader walking the walk not talking the talk.
I served with the best of intentions knowing there are men in America like him.
I put my honor my pride my dignity to protect my own country based on this kind of friendship he brings.
In summary:
True Friend
True Warrior
True Man
True Survivor
True Leader
Real American
Real Human

PO3 Aaron Hassay - Thank you Aaron - I appreciate the kind comments and I look forward to our long friendship over the years!

MCPO Michael Preston - Master Chief for what it is worth I will add my 2 cents. Remember Man-Overboard and any other Casualty type events? In the essence of Shipmates bonding brotherhood sisterhood I finally notice 1 flaw in noticing casualties. It seems warriors that escape true torment have secure nuclear families off ship. Our military families young mother and younger brother sister. Notice how I did not include a father in this? I did not have a father to rely on. I remember when I begged in my brain assigned to my ship gosh I wish I could call me dad the dad I did not know because I am hurting. O I know wows me. I am a crybaby. But when the operational stress of a combat ship life gets a bit much some young sailors call home to a dad who probably gives them some wisdom. Much better a younger sailor with a dad who is a Navy Vet himself to give some very sage advice to calm rough seas. The leaders on the ship are not your father and do not pretend to be. They are operational and do not notice or care about personal feelings in operational occupational stress. So you can not act week with them. If you do act week with a salty e9 or LPO's in Deck, when you are 18 on a guided missile frigate you run the risk of being accused of malingering. There are not Psych Doctors on the ship of course. There is just a salty e7 Corpsman who considers everything fit for duty save a limb removed from a synthetic mooring line parting. Now lets just say the e9 is really salty and adheres to a a justice system of Fan Room Counseling, then your 18 year old life just became much more treacherous. What am I trying to say. The younger sailors young mom, younger brother sister see the emotional change from calm to cold angry bitter stressed. The young service members family pays the emotional toll watching their once healthy young High School Varsity Athlete and Meritorious Paygrade Advanced Great Lakes Chicago Recruit Graduate slide into a silent dark place. Then add on the fact that the missing father he could not call was found after service discovered alarmingly soberingly a Honorably Served Army Infantry 1966-1968 Vietnam Veteran. His illness from Vietnam Service Incpacitated him, this strong man, to the point where he could not caretake for me his young family any longer. His dad, my grandpa was later discovered and validated as a ww2 Lifer Navy Blue Water Engineman who passed away in his 50s due lung disease due most probably asbestos in the engineroom on those ships. My dad the Vietnam Combat Vet I describe was not raised by his own dad, became an orphan basically, passed around, my grandpa who was in ww2 and sailing the the open seas. I never met my grandpa. What happens when you take away the closest men of a young mans life, his own male family leaders, and he joins the miltiary 18 looking for family? What happens to his young mom and younger brother and sister? I wonder what happens to any young service member in similar situation? I notice 1 thing in all most all Valient Warrior stories of success in dealing, coping, growing, healing etc. They have a family to depend on that can take that blow and can absorb that blow and does not fragment on impact. No warrior I have met or read stories of is an island who healed themselves. When they were injured psycholigcally or physically either some good in-serivce command support happened on their behalf, and or a very strong loving nuclear family support system. Take those 2 things away from a young SM and you leave a Man-overboard.


By the way Master Chief thank you for your service. I truly mean that. Thanks for sharing your story.

I am still trying to figure things out.

Last 1 for the day to reply.

Thank you for sharing Major Bell. It is interesting to hear other Veteran Stories Dependent and otherwise.

I analyze for similarity and difference the the reasons for each compared my veteran dependent story.

I see a difference.

My grandpa I never met on my fathers side I recently discovered was a Lifer Blue Water Navy Engineman of course who passed away I heard in a hospital in Kentucky due lung problems. And then I found out about Asbestos recently also and its use on Navy ships especially for Engineman.

This is the same grandpa who fathered my dad but was not able to raise my dad because of service.

This is the same grandpa my dad really wanted to see but never saw but irregulary. My dad told me in 1 story that he would go to the train station from adopted parents and wait for his dads return for some time on a bike. Can you imagine???

This is the same dad, my dad, who would have me, only later to be discovered to be Army infantry 66-68 Radio Operator. If you read my other listings you will see my dad fell apart unable to raise me completely by the time I was 8 approximetaly.

I still graduated high school on time a Varsity Letterman enlisting into what I was recruited was a Navy Enlisted to Officer Program but in reality it is being discovered was a shut down scuttled mismanaged drawn down odd little program that assigned me to some odd test units on some rare Navy Combat Ships where I would basically loose my future.

I am trying to share and be understood.

I see a difference in being officers vrs enlisted. But we are all brothers in this.

Yet I feel so alone as if the world has passed me by and I am on SSDI for anxiety and mood disorder.

Where is the brotherhood in this?

Mr. Hallock,

Without trying to be to descriptive I can only relate to being a son of one of you guys, and my dad a 66-68 Army Infantry soon became ill unable to be a healthy dad, not his fault.
I found out after I had served in my own separate unique stressors of duty my dad was actually a Vet himself. That is correct no one knew that before. It was discovered that my dad also was VA 100% PSYCH incompetent rated in 2005. My service eos May 2002. The coincidence that a more healthy Vietnam Combat Vet soldiered him into the VA for disability application is in Gods hands. Without that more healthy support my dad may still be in the street not even aware that Vietnam Vets are Um welcomed home by the VA some 40 years later. The coincidence I was reconnected with him is in Gods hands. The VA is correct of his 100% incompetent rating. Again not his fault. I wonder outloud how many Vietnam Combat Vets never got lucky as him some 40 years later to be service connected. I just ask what actually happens in real life in those missing 40 Years of Government Systems created under the guiding principles of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to serve and protect its own citizens would actually have such loopholes to send them to war then forget them upon return and the famiies they may attempt to have? Maybe the families Dependents young wives and children of some, alot, a few numbers uncounted Vietnam Combat Vets are unaccounted for also. So if the families of such are not glamorized, maybe they were never acknowledged in the first place by such systems.


I am still alive. I did nothing wrong. I just did not have a healthy dad, and I can say for a fact that the Test that was run on my Navy Combat Ship was not peaceful either mentally or physically.

But neither my dad nor I ran.

But in the guise of brotherhood I wonder when the ark of care will return in these systems acknowledgement of not the top 1% but the general population of honorable Vets who were not invincible?

We talk alot about brotherhood sisterhood combat in arms etc etc etc. But when is talk actually walked completely and fully like the talk. Or is it easier to talk and not to walk?

Look I sit on SSDI for anxierty and mood disorder below the poverty line now so long I do not know what it is like the American Dream.

People come from all these other countries and are tourist with big expensive cameras next to me at this coffee shop exploring the greatness of a land that I was born.

I am stressed out

Cynthia Croft - Thank you. Good call.

Spoken like someone who knows the truth is better sadder more human and real then the trumped up hollywood type infomercials that are psychologically sabotaging humanity.

Ego is a weightless sum that kills good.

I have been taught all that is real. But one day you wake up and say wow I was in a cave.

Platos Aristotle Allegory of the Cave recently made so much more sense recently.

Still I need to hold on to my human self and realize humans make mistakes.


But not all humans are men and women. Some humans are snakes.

I can no longer "trump", no pun intended, up propoganda leaving VETS the unspoken toll.

When someone can get an 18 year old girl or boy to do the most dangerous things and then not protect 100% that young mans life with honor in the same system of government and society that sent them then I see a chasm of mentality that can not bridged.

In the end rereading the simplicity of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will set us straight on the framework the intention the glorious ideals of a just society attempting to create a society a system that is good.

But again when you can take an 18 year old in that society and make him or her do the most dangerous things that can injure maim disturb you mentally chronically and then forget them or limit their benefits and entitlements in someones budget sheet outlay then you sabotage the basic fundamental of the founding documents of this Nation the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

as most of my family served in ww2, grandfather POW army air corps, uncle in the bulge, another uncle big red one beginning to end, 3 more in the pacific, one cousin Vietnam MIA, these people saw war at its worst and went to their graves with the horrors they saw and inflicted, myself I served 20+ years before I saw combat, Iraq, what I saw and what I survived hasn't left me, now I know why my relatives never spoke of their time, they lived their hell, now I live mine one day at a time

CPT Durish "Sir",

I ask a question. I make a observation also. I ask for clarity.

The Declaration of Independence the ensuing Constitution talk about Created systems of Federal GOV that indeed protect the freedom rights safety of the citizens primarily as the reason for creating such Federal systems.

The basic principle of the Oath of Enlistment for all SM is to DEFEND the Constitution against Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

The SM should be protected 100 % if not 10000% without question by the Federal Systems created under the Constitution to protect their own citizenship freedoms liberty peace.

It is a shame that I must find a civilian non-profit more willing more open more able then the VA to support me after service.

The VA was created under the Federal Government just for us under the Consitution.

Yet the VA forgot the homeless mom and son of a injured Vietnam Vet Completely.

I am not even sure if my status of being born the son of a Vietnam Combat Vet got any nice name similar to a Babyboomer. Well in fact Vietnam Vets did infact come from WW2 Vets for the most part.

Vietnam Vets were in fact BabyBoomers.

That is not to say that most BabyBoomers would enlist or be drafted.

From what I have read in Secretary Defense Melvin Lairds Biograpghy online DOD Website that most BabyBoomers would get differments for education etc from Vietnam Draft. That was possibly do to the fact that WW2 Vet Fathers were smart in giving their BabyBoomer Children advice to enlist therefore create more options for service such as intel, admin, or Blue Water Navy, or Air Force for example, at a minimum before being drafted into the infantry for Vietnam.

My 15 degree of swath on my Forward Lookout Station on my ship has me focused on my duty assignment and life that includes recently discovered intel I am the son of one of you guys a Vietnam Combat Vet.

My dad is not well.

My dad has an honorable discharge.

My dad was so not well by the time I was 8 approx that my mom was forced into substandard living in womens shelters without VA support. To date I think the VA did not even think that the Vietnam Combat Vets would actually have a life after vietnam and attempt to have a family.

Well my service in the Navy Served honorably was lunatic in the most calmest saddest depressing ways.

I toughed it out.

I broke myself for that unfortunately because I think I would be much more valuable to my own country if the sanity of such service was actually created to be sane during and after.

But regardless if I brought my resume of life to a Non Profit of Vietnam Combat Service Members for acknowledgement and support as a Vietnam Combat Son what would be my reception do you gather???

Thank You Sir in the best of ways.

Aaron

PO3 Aaron Hassay - no your not a bad person, just one that needs to understood and befriended by those that can and will help you out.

Cynthia Croft - Thank you, I have a niece and two nephews that up until 5 yrs. ago would have nothing to do with their father(a "Nam vet), they reconciled their differences and have a fair relationship with him.

Cynthia Croft - Cynthia, Aaron and I've been connected since last September 2015. We're very close friends - thank you

COL Mikel J. Burroughs - Mr. Burroughs a brother an uncle I never had. I suppose the good comes from the things that you analyze that had burdened you. I knew I joined the military to have friends for life. It is very very basic principle. I would fight and die for this. To be serious I already gave everything I could to this system my own nation born bred and served. I can and will question. I will question for the sake of realities sake as if the world is actually not flat when the system says it is flat. I ask the questions I do because we are all taught we are doing this for our country in bootcamp. We are all doing this for our brothers and sisters in Arms. Sacrifice. Sacrifice is actually talked about in the Declaration of Independence.

Mr Burroughs is at true badass in all the right ways in my humble opinion. I would apprentice under him. But now that I am a man I also learn to be a man. I am no longer an e1.

I wish to hold true to the ideals of men who were indeed in my estimation not perfect attempting perfection with the writing of the human rights documents of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Thank You my friends

Sorry sad for your loss of you dad. The WW2 VETS and Even Vietnam Combat Vets who survived and even VETS Today who survived Combat survive by being very cold driven operational emotionless in work and life. In my own way in the Navy Blue Water Combat Ship I became very cold emotionless deck plate deck grey steel cold. To some extent I still am fucking fuck up shit. I lost my fiance by 22. I joined with I was 18. I was engaged by the time I was 19. I do not mean that in a bad way. I mean that in a way that it is a mental coping mechanism that helped them get through battle and worked and works now in todays cold calculated financial world also built by BabyBoomers a large part reaping the national rewards of ww2 victory.

The Latchkey thing is targeted at WW2 Offsping called BabyBoomers Offspring.
I think it is called Generation X.