Posted on Sep 18, 2016
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I know I'm probably playing with fire and causing people to be uncomfortable, but I can honestly sit and have this conversation with anyone and not get upset. I just want to know peoples views who served and who is currently serving now. If you don't think any of it exist please explain why. Thanks
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Capt Seid Waddell
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There is a good argument to be made that the affirmative action policies this country has enacted have resulted in black privilege.

There are white supremacists in this country, just as there are black supremacists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcfymOvoUo
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SPC Erich Guenther
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Capt Seid Waddell - I said it was a reparation. I don't think Affirmative Action was ever intended to be a fix or indefinite. Look at the example of World War I, German reparations to pay for damages caused by World War I ===> Follow on treaties in regards to armament limitations, formation of a council, etc to modify and monitor future behavior. Reparations only attempt to make up for past damage or abuse. Once that is complete, their job is done.
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Sgt Heriberto Salinas
Sgt Heriberto Salinas
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Capt Seid Waddell - ??? Elaborate, please.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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SPC Erich Guenther, the reparations after WWI led to WWII. The rebuilding of the war-torn countries by the victors by means of the Marshal Plan after WWII led to the longest peacetime period in recent history.

Reparations are punitive and lead to subjugation and resentments and thirst for revenge - which serves neither the victors nor the vanquished.

A helping hand from the victors to the vanquished to restore peace and prosperity for all is by far the better path, IMHO.

And as to reparations to slaves in this country, that is about seven generations too late to have any meaningful effect - neither those that suffered nor those that caused the suffering have been with us for over a century. Today is would be like a lottery windfall for those that get it and an unjust punishment for those that must pay it. If you want to stir up racial hatreds, reparations would be a good way to accomplish that goal.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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Sgt Heriberto Salinas, listen to the Thomas Sowell clip and you will understand.
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Hell yes it exist two rules of law period, black you die white you get a pat on the back for killing people that is a fact. I am so tired of seeing all the unjustice in this world we live in now. Does it take 8 to 13 white police officers to shoot a black man 60 to 137 times once the first bullet killed him? Why did police stand outside the classroom as children and teachers were being killed was it because they were white, hell no they were of color. It hurts me to no end that my brother died in Vietnamese territory for what? He served to protect these United States on for me and 6 other siblings to join the military in honor of him then be branded as a person of color and for what? My heart is heavy with the pain of all people regardless of race who are killed for no reason other then the color of their skin.
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SPC David Willis
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I personally don't see how blacks and whites could be equal in society when they haven't even been equal under the law for 50 years. There is still lots of white supremacy and not just in the south. Those white supremacists hold regular jobs as well so until they no longer are walking around on earth and are holding jobs where they can impact other citizens whether that's on a car mechanics level a police officers level or a politicians level I don't see how equality is even possible. People love to point to Obama as being prove that racism is dead but folks were burning straw dolls of him and hanging them from trees so not the best example.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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What privilege? We have the same rights, same education system, etc. If it existed then how would there be folks like Colin Powell, Allen West, Ben Carson and tons of the Black men and women who have led and changed the world around them. The ability is here for all- it all depends on what you do with it that matters.
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PO1 Michael Garrett
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Something like this is very tricky to answer. Racism has ALWAYS been a part of this country. I guess that is the price we pay for being the melting pot of the world. Perhaps there is a correlation somewhere between Old World European values and the rest of the world but I will leave that for another discussion.
As for the US, this country has become polarized over the past 25 years. We are divided now more than ever and not just along racial lines. Does white privilege exist? Not any more than Black privilege, Hispanic privilege, Muslim privilege, Gay privilege, and any other "special interest," privilege. Now, we as Americans, are less prone to compromise.
We have a US Constitution to guide us in addressing issues of inequality yet we have drifted away from it to the point that many here now question it meaning. We have split into all sorts of special interest groups who seek their piece of the pie. White privilege is used as a battering ram against those who stand for the Constitution and limited government.
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2LT David Phillips
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This seems like a question that's fishing for radicals, rather than a legit discourse on race relations. It might just be me. Chances are likely it's just me. Just throwing it out there. Because if it is a question that seems like its fishing for radicals, then it would be prudent to know that the Army JAG, DIA, and CID might be curious about an active duty specialist caring about such large topics in a public forum, pictured in an official US Government Army Uniform. Just thinking out loud. Maybe this question might be best asked by the civil affairs unit or a civilian who is no longer on active duty. Best keep it in house. No judgment. Just friendly advice.
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SSgt Michael Cox
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In my personal opinion privilege is what you make. I grew up on a small farm and I mean small 2.5 acres. We had 6 head of cattle and horse that belonged to my cousin and some chickens. Every few years we would plow under the pastures and make a giant garden. I was on the free lunch program in school. Growing up I lived with my grandmother, father, stepmom, and four brothers and sisters, because my father was a felon after his military service and wasn't allowed to live unsupervised while on parole.

I think that everything starts with the parents. Growing up I was more afraid of my father than anyone in town including the 7'2" police chief. My father and grandmother both taught me to respect others but not to fear people in the community including authorities. I can't tell you how many times I got my ass beat or my mouth washed out with soap as a child until I learned to respect others. This included when I was caught shoplifting at the local grocery store at age 12. The police chief did the very kind thing looking back on it by taking me home and having me explain to my father what I had done. He watched my father beat the crap out of me and then told my father to have a good day.

I also think that White Supremacy and gangs are both products of parents teaching their children to be afraid of others be it the pigment of our skin or of authority. I think that when we do that we actually harm our children and cut or entirely stop their potential for growth and prosperity. I have actually met with some young minority adults that thought college was only for white or rich folk. Not realizing that if you are in need of help you are more likely to get into a community college because of all the federal education program grants. In my office alone we have 6 single parents that are student workers that have all their tuition, books, and fees paid for. All of them are on food stamps and TANF.

I think if we stop telling our children you wont make it in life, or letting others tell our children that because you are a certain color or poor you wont become anything and instead tell our children that you can become anything you put your mind to that a lot of the crap you see on TV would change.
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MCPO Tom Miller
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I pray it doesn't! When I served, our goals were not deep into diversity but more into professional competency and leadership! We had advanced from a lot of segregation ideology into open progression for all sailors not based on anything but qualified scores and basic eligibility. Yes, there was elements that brought into military life that made progress slow and racial implement introduced. For one was President Johnson's project of 100,000 whereas, recruiting during the Vietnam war set standards for minorities could enlist with scores of 10% out of a 100 and basic qualifications reduced to a quota concept! Now this social engineering supplied contempt from both sides! No the monitors exsist and the minorities didn't learn trades! Hate and resentment was gathered by race! We are not a separate country, but standards should apply for all of us the same!
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1LT Medical-Surgical Nurse
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Yes on both points.
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Sgt Marbury Keys
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Yes and Yes! However, my first unit there were no issues. You will always that 10% Black or White, I did not forget yellow and the brown. We can overcome this through mutual service to each other and to the Nation and shared sacrifices. Peace my military Brothers. And we all serve an ungrateful master.
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