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I have never supported drinking of any kind in uniform, it brings bad attention to the service. I rank this up to the embarrassment of military installations "Harlem Shake". Not good on any level and no room for a professional service.
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Taking shots in uniform is a disgrace to said uniform. I'm not against drinking in uniform 100%, I believe provided its well regulated and the person is not getting drunk or drinking for bad reasons then it can be "ok" of course its always better to drink without being in uniform
Taking shots while in uniform on the other hand not only crosses the line, it laps it.
Taking shots while in uniform on the other hand not only crosses the line, it laps it.
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I would like to add this to discussion. I think it's wrong of us to post any picture and have discussion like we are having about them without them knowing about it !!! I'm not saying her there permission but at least be advised. I think we could have the discussion without using their picture
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Seeing how 670-1 only covers "off-post" locations and drinking in uniform, it comes down to Post Command/Unit Command Policies, if none exist then it should be fine for anyone to drink in uniform while "on-post". Although I may not have the favored opinion on this topic, these leaders are not in the wrong if no Policy is in place. Everything else is a matter of personal opinion and has no bearing.
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SGM Matthew Quick
Personal opinion, by the American public, has bearing...images like these, either within interpreted regulatory guidance or not, could portray the Army in a poor light.
Currently, the US military is very respected by the majority of the American public...these types of images can cast a large shadow for some time.
Why do I care what the American public think/feel about us? We work for them and we need their support...especially when it comes to voting.
Currently, the US military is very respected by the majority of the American public...these types of images can cast a large shadow for some time.
Why do I care what the American public think/feel about us? We work for them and we need their support...especially when it comes to voting.
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SPC Christopher Smith
SGM Quick,
I can tell you that the American public at large does not care about this picture. The loud groups and organizations that get upset represent a very small percentage of the American population. Going to BWW's to pick up wings for dinner I've been offered a shot, I turned it down because who knows who is watching, but the majority of the public somewhat understands the stress we are under.
If we cannot show the public that we are able to have a good time, and that we ARE people as well, how do we gain their support? Running around like perfect robots that live in our own bubble away from everyone and hiding any type of enjoyment does not foster a great public image. Look at what the Military issues out for PR about us having fun; running events, jumping out of planes, combatives, anything about our jobs and being physically fit, but rarely anything about having a personal life. I can tell you running is not fun for me.
Want people to support us when it comes to voting, show them the broken equipment because we do not have the funding/manpower to fix it. Show them the subpar housing issues in the barracks. Show them that reducing our numbers is reducing the number of personnel that deal with our SHARP/EO issues and explain how it might cause a spike in cases for the future. The general public is ignorant of our issues until someone dies. A picture of a few SM's drinking is not going to break the trust and support of the majority of the population.
I can tell you that the American public at large does not care about this picture. The loud groups and organizations that get upset represent a very small percentage of the American population. Going to BWW's to pick up wings for dinner I've been offered a shot, I turned it down because who knows who is watching, but the majority of the public somewhat understands the stress we are under.
If we cannot show the public that we are able to have a good time, and that we ARE people as well, how do we gain their support? Running around like perfect robots that live in our own bubble away from everyone and hiding any type of enjoyment does not foster a great public image. Look at what the Military issues out for PR about us having fun; running events, jumping out of planes, combatives, anything about our jobs and being physically fit, but rarely anything about having a personal life. I can tell you running is not fun for me.
Want people to support us when it comes to voting, show them the broken equipment because we do not have the funding/manpower to fix it. Show them the subpar housing issues in the barracks. Show them that reducing our numbers is reducing the number of personnel that deal with our SHARP/EO issues and explain how it might cause a spike in cases for the future. The general public is ignorant of our issues until someone dies. A picture of a few SM's drinking is not going to break the trust and support of the majority of the population.
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SGM Matthew Quick
We can show the American public that we can 'have a good time' without taking shots of liquor in our combat uniforms.
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My personnel opinion is that sitting down having a drink or two in uniform is not a bad thing. We are adults and do more than most to protect the liberties that we are granted by our country. But professionally, I believe that because we have folks within our ranks that can't behave responsibly we should avoid drinking in uniform. Some might see this image as glamorizing alcohol and there is a constant struggle to keep SM form getting DUIs and being apart of ARIs. I think the army should HAMMER every single DUI case and select mature responsible people to wear the uniform. Then having a celebratory drink or having a drink with colleagues after work in uniform would be ok. With all mechanisms perceived to be “bad” (i.e. alcohol and guns), their is a conscious decision making process that steers an individuals actions prior to and after the implementation of that mechanism. Lets control the people we let in the military, not the LEGAL activities responsible SMs choose to indulge in while wearing the uniform.
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I've had A beer in ACUs before going home. But shots or excessive drinking...never.
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Ok while there are many good points from both sides of the spectrum depending how you are looking at it. But in my opinion as a lower enlisted E-4 and 34 years old( I know better) but i am around alot of newly fresh out of basic privates that if they were to see this picture and were under any of these senior enlisted ncos command, it would be like giving them the green light to do the same. With them its a monkey see monkey do type thing especially if they look up to you as a leader and as a mentor. The way i see it live the way you want to live on your free time but when we get up each morning and put on the uniform we are the embodiment and image of the army, our fallen brothers and sisters, and those we are currently serve with to all who we encounter up until we take the uniform off.
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I say its wrong to drink in uniform at all with the exception of a glass of wine at a formal ball. Even then, moderation is a must. To drink in a combat uniform with your soldiers in a bar is wrong on so many levels. Just remember that your actions in that situation is the example your soldiers will follow.
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SSG (Join to see)
Yes but I was referring to the combat uniform as opposed to the dress uniform. In dress uniform, at a ball having a glass of wine with your dinner is ok but don't over do it.
In combat uniform is never a good idea in my book. With your soldiers at a bar is even worse.
In combat uniform is never a good idea in my book. With your soldiers at a bar is even worse.
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I have heard of some NCOs going out to drink with their soldiers both at bars and at parties. I was using it to point out that to drink in a combat uniform is bad in my opinion and to do it with your soldiers is worse. The picture posted with this topic looks to be a bar to me.
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Is calling your BDE/BN CSM by his firsts name a good job? No it's a terrible idea and it's even worse when you have photo evidence
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Do you really see in this photo that anybody is calling a CSM by his/her first name?
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I do not believe it is unappropriate nor proffessional to do it while in uniform. If a unit is going to do a NCO call or O call their should be enough time to change into civilian clothes. I do know here in FT. Campbell in CAM PAM 600-1 Section 3, Par 6. Soldiers are authorized to wear the ACU during commercial travel both CONUS and OCONUS. Soldiers will not wear the ACU in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldier may not wear the ACU if the activities in the establishment center on drinking alcohol.
Of course every Installation has its own polices and Regulations, but still either way I believe its unappropriate and unprofessional no matter where you are in while in uniform. That goes with a Military Ball that is why their are Senior Leaders and other personel not drinking to ensure Soldiers are not getting out of control.
Of course every Installation has its own polices and Regulations, but still either way I believe its unappropriate and unprofessional no matter where you are in while in uniform. That goes with a Military Ball that is why their are Senior Leaders and other personel not drinking to ensure Soldiers are not getting out of control.
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