Posted on Jul 15, 2014
Ever been embarrassed for your rank? Branch? Both?
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The posting about the Army adopting or looking at sleeves on the ACU being rolled up because some folks think that it is hot, a garrison thing or whatever, really made me red in the face and embarrassed to be a warrant officer. I pose to you the survey just so we can keep track, but the issue is that sometimes folks go out of their way to not only embarrass themselves, but everyone associated with the rank in which they wear, their branch or even service.
The 30 June article in the ARMY TIMES was highlighted by a photo of a aviator claimed to be a CW3 in the wording, with a CW2 photo of a aviation army combat uniform, otherwise known as the A2CU. His sleeves were rolled up and he was obviously wearing a Stetson, which in turn eluded to the fact he was Cavalry.
I am not going to dispute the findings of the ARMY TIMES since that article that the officer in question has a very questionable career, integrity and lack of Army Values. What really gets under my skin is his lack of regard for his brothers and sisters first of all in the warrant officer corps, then the aviation branch, followed by the Calvary and finally the Army as a whole.
I must quote his phone interview to the ARMY TIMES with regard to his everyday wearing of the uniform in violation of 670-1, "I basically give them 'the look' - dare them to say something". I was appalled and hit the floor almost passed out that a fellow warrant officer would publicly donate a photo and such words to represent the whole population. The harm is done. The amount of readers and viewers of this obviously will not see the investigation into his service and past to know that this guy is not credible.
So I am embarrassed for my rank (warrant officers) in the branch and the Army. I have to defend our rank because a knucklehead spoke out and no one will look past his comment on 30 June. It already is hard as aviators get to un-blouse their boots when flying and often forget to tuck them back in afterwards. Often aviators push limits on haircuts, sideburns and mustaches, but this was a bit over the top.
Several thing spoke to me in the article. The ARMY TIMES did not research the officer with much detail. The officer whether Guard, Reserve or Active duty is wrong. Rolling up sleeves when not authorized and walking around with an attitude against officers and Soldiers alike is criminal. Surely if an officer told him to roll up his sleeves and he gave that 'look', that he would be charged with UCMJ.
This article and policy, I really don't care about, the Army did me a favor having me wear my sleeves down. I no longer have skin cancer on my forearms! Trust me when I say it stinks having pieces of you cut out for it. If the Army gave the option today, I would only roll them up to be uniformly in a formation with the rest of the Soldiers.
So this gentleman, CW2 or CW3 Calhoun has embarrassed and tarnished the idea of a warrant officer to me. Probably to a lot of others, or he validated a prejudice already of how warrant officers can or may be perceived. He went further wearing the CAV Stetson, saying he was in USASOC, mentioning SOF and being an aviator. None of these grant him immunity from proper wear of the uniform. I would hope he was proud of his rank, branch and service enough to comply.
So the question to you is have you ever been embarrassed for your rank, branch or service?
EXAMPLES: Remember the Airman sticking the tongue out on the POW symbol? The Soldiers on funeral detail and casket? We could go on, but are you affected?
The 30 June article in the ARMY TIMES was highlighted by a photo of a aviator claimed to be a CW3 in the wording, with a CW2 photo of a aviation army combat uniform, otherwise known as the A2CU. His sleeves were rolled up and he was obviously wearing a Stetson, which in turn eluded to the fact he was Cavalry.
I am not going to dispute the findings of the ARMY TIMES since that article that the officer in question has a very questionable career, integrity and lack of Army Values. What really gets under my skin is his lack of regard for his brothers and sisters first of all in the warrant officer corps, then the aviation branch, followed by the Calvary and finally the Army as a whole.
I must quote his phone interview to the ARMY TIMES with regard to his everyday wearing of the uniform in violation of 670-1, "I basically give them 'the look' - dare them to say something". I was appalled and hit the floor almost passed out that a fellow warrant officer would publicly donate a photo and such words to represent the whole population. The harm is done. The amount of readers and viewers of this obviously will not see the investigation into his service and past to know that this guy is not credible.
So I am embarrassed for my rank (warrant officers) in the branch and the Army. I have to defend our rank because a knucklehead spoke out and no one will look past his comment on 30 June. It already is hard as aviators get to un-blouse their boots when flying and often forget to tuck them back in afterwards. Often aviators push limits on haircuts, sideburns and mustaches, but this was a bit over the top.
Several thing spoke to me in the article. The ARMY TIMES did not research the officer with much detail. The officer whether Guard, Reserve or Active duty is wrong. Rolling up sleeves when not authorized and walking around with an attitude against officers and Soldiers alike is criminal. Surely if an officer told him to roll up his sleeves and he gave that 'look', that he would be charged with UCMJ.
This article and policy, I really don't care about, the Army did me a favor having me wear my sleeves down. I no longer have skin cancer on my forearms! Trust me when I say it stinks having pieces of you cut out for it. If the Army gave the option today, I would only roll them up to be uniformly in a formation with the rest of the Soldiers.
So this gentleman, CW2 or CW3 Calhoun has embarrassed and tarnished the idea of a warrant officer to me. Probably to a lot of others, or he validated a prejudice already of how warrant officers can or may be perceived. He went further wearing the CAV Stetson, saying he was in USASOC, mentioning SOF and being an aviator. None of these grant him immunity from proper wear of the uniform. I would hope he was proud of his rank, branch and service enough to comply.
So the question to you is have you ever been embarrassed for your rank, branch or service?
EXAMPLES: Remember the Airman sticking the tongue out on the POW symbol? The Soldiers on funeral detail and casket? We could go on, but are you affected?
Edited 9 y ago
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I voted for my rank E-4 in general. I have seen a lot of E-4's make fools of them selves in Social Media and on the news. Not all of us are dirtbags and hide behind our sham shields as they call it in the Army. I work hard at what I do and do the right thing even when no one is looking. Just shames me that people can't act right or there age for that matter.
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SSgt (Join to see)
I voted for the "all of the above at least once" for the exact same reasons. Its not just E-4's that do these things. I have seen E-8's, E-9's and even officers of all ranks as well do the same things, just not as frequently.
And just realized this post is 10 months old. Think I proved my point unintentionally making a fool of myself.
And just realized this post is 10 months old. Think I proved my point unintentionally making a fool of myself.
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CW4 Craig Urban
Sp5 in 2 years . SSG in 3. Warrant officer in 7.5. 44 years as a quartermaster. Never been embarrassing.
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SFC David Xanten
PO1 Boucher, It is easy to be embarrassed by something you have no control of. Think about this, the USS Vincense (spelling might be off) shot down a civilian airliner in the middle east. if you were in the Navy or in fact any branch of service, it should have embarrassed you. If you were asked a technical question about your job and diden't know the answer then you should be embarrassed and so should your supervisors.
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SGT Timothy Rocheleau
Why would the actions of someone else embarrass you? Doesn't make sense. The incident you describe about the airliner being shot down is embarrassing for those who did it but not for every person serving.
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CW4 Craig Urban
You should be. I worked for usarec as a CW3. Not a recruiter. A inspector of exhibitors. 1984
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TSgt Mike Rumage
SGT Timothy Rocheleau - Some people don't know the difference between Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine. If someone in the military did it, you must have known them or been involved with it. We have let our Education system erode to this point.l
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As you can see from my profile I am a Battle Staff instructor and I only instruct NCO's. That being said I am ashamed or embarrassed every class I pickup due to the lack of knowledge of NCO's today.
The reading skills is probably the one that kills me the most because many of these Senior NCO's have the reading skills of a 6th grader.
Then there are the basic soldier skills such as map reading and land navigation that somehow these NCO's do not know how to do.
The reading skills is probably the one that kills me the most because many of these Senior NCO's have the reading skills of a 6th grader.
Then there are the basic soldier skills such as map reading and land navigation that somehow these NCO's do not know how to do.
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SGT Thomas Lucken
The Educational system in the U.S in general, SUCKS! We are lacking there and have seen it over the years!
A few months ago, my son went and tested for the Illinois Department of Corrections! The first test they give is a 10th Equivalency Written Test, over 20% of the people failed it!
Another example, ASVAB Test 1981. My buddy and I took it at the same time, he dropped out in 11th Grade and I graduated.
The goofy score the Recruiters use, which is I think it is a percentage: I scored a 71, my buddy a 63, and 4 year college grad score a 30. And I was hungover when I took it! :-)
All my scores were above a hundred and my GT was 117. I forget where they got their score from.
A few months ago, my son went and tested for the Illinois Department of Corrections! The first test they give is a 10th Equivalency Written Test, over 20% of the people failed it!
Another example, ASVAB Test 1981. My buddy and I took it at the same time, he dropped out in 11th Grade and I graduated.
The goofy score the Recruiters use, which is I think it is a percentage: I scored a 71, my buddy a 63, and 4 year college grad score a 30. And I was hungover when I took it! :-)
All my scores were above a hundred and my GT was 117. I forget where they got their score from.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
SGT Thomas Lucken the 71 and 63 are the AFQT, this is the initial score used to determine eligibility to enlist and is generated from 4 parts of the ASVAB: Word Knowledge, Paragraph Comprehension, Math Knowledge and Arithmetic Reasoning. The GT and other line scores used for job eligibility are drawn from a combination of all the areas of the ASVAB. But you are so correct in the failings of our education system....has anyone seen the way they are teaching simple math in the Common Core crap? Oh my gawd I saw an example on one of the news shows and it confused the hell out of me in the way they are teaching students to solve simple addition and subtraction nowadays!!!
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SGT Thomas Lucken
Thanks William, I couldn't remember on the scores why. It has only been 33 years since I took mine! :-)
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You want to talk about reading "skills" (comprehension is what you should have used here) and I agree with you. However... don't bang out a poorly written blurb blasting senior NCOs for their poor reading, and entirely screw it up yourself.
Pot, meet kettle.
Pot, meet kettle.
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If we're intellectually honest, all the above at least once applies.
I think I'm more embarrassed for my Service right now because "Army Times" is the one that caused this issue with their lack of fact checking.
I think I'm more embarrassed for my Service right now because "Army Times" is the one that caused this issue with their lack of fact checking.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
SSG(P) (Join to see) I did too and well like politics, it really is smart to cover all aspects of your profession.....so the Army Enquirer/Slimes/etc is just one point of view, kind of like being Republican and watching Bill Marer.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker Sir, I completely agree that covering your bases can be advantageous. Maybe its just me, but when I get my S1Net emails, I read the latest ALARACTs and MILPERs just to see how long the Army times will take to get the information wrong in their publication. So much for getting their info from "accredited sources."
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Right now I'm embarrassed for the entire Armed Forces, after seeing our Commander in Chief salute with a coffee cup.
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LCpl John Filiatrault
That made me embarrassed. He of all people should know proper etiquette and procedures
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I used to get upset when I saw new pictures or stories of Soldiers being disrespectful, racist, ignorant, violating laws or regulations etc... on Facebook or the news.
That changed when, one day, while I was creating a meme for another discussion, I started a collage of all the photos involved in all these stories. With all the pictures right next to each other for comparison, I realized that, almost without exception (there are a few exceptions), every single Soldier who has publicly disgraced the Army was a Quartermaster Soldier.
So now I don't get upset. I just look at their MOS or regimental crest in the photo and, about 90% of the time, instead of getting angry, I can just say "oh well, F'in Quartermaster...
(Being stationed at Fort Lee for a few years, I do get it though... Walking from the Ordnance campus to the Quartermaster side of the house is like walking to the bad side of the tracks. That is an institution in desperate need of overhaul.)
That changed when, one day, while I was creating a meme for another discussion, I started a collage of all the photos involved in all these stories. With all the pictures right next to each other for comparison, I realized that, almost without exception (there are a few exceptions), every single Soldier who has publicly disgraced the Army was a Quartermaster Soldier.
So now I don't get upset. I just look at their MOS or regimental crest in the photo and, about 90% of the time, instead of getting angry, I can just say "oh well, F'in Quartermaster...
(Being stationed at Fort Lee for a few years, I do get it though... Walking from the Ordnance campus to the Quartermaster side of the house is like walking to the bad side of the tracks. That is an institution in desperate need of overhaul.)
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SFC Michael Hasbun Were the casket posing National Guard soldiers in the Quartermaster Corps? Did they kick these guys out or what?
https://twitter.com/WTOP/status/ [login to see] 96932097/photo/1
https://twitter.com/WTOP/status/ [login to see] 96932097/photo/1
“A photo showing soldiers clowning around an empty, flag-draped casket is drawing criticism. http://t.co/JdMzJh5Roh”
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SFC Michael Hasbun
That certainly looks like a QM insignia to me... I admit with her its tough to tell, but it DEFINITELY looks like a QM insignia..
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Well, when he's paddling his douche-canoe to AR670-1 land he won't get his sleeves wet.
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I have several times been embarrassed for the NCO Corps and the Army at different ranks. Doing my careers we had Drill Sergeants abusing Soldiers physically and sexually. Recruiters cheating to meet mission requirements, sleeping with recruits, and committing other infractions. Instructors relieved and prosecuted for raping Soldiers. These positions are held by ranks SGT-SFC (E-5-E7). NCOs took creditability hits over the years.
However, those were a few horrific instances where individuals made decisions and engaged in criminal and morally objectionable activity. Not a true representation of the thousands of active and previous NCOs who tirelessly dedicated their time/effort into making the US Army the best in the world.
However, those were a few horrific instances where individuals made decisions and engaged in criminal and morally objectionable activity. Not a true representation of the thousands of active and previous NCOs who tirelessly dedicated their time/effort into making the US Army the best in the world.
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I've also been embarrassed for other services when it was warranted. Like a Marine warrant officer wearing a set of dress blue Alphas that she dug from the bottom of a duffel bag. TO THE BALL. AS ADJUTANT. Yeah, that happened.
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MSgt Lancia Stewart
Certain things are common throughout the services. Duffelbaggery is one. (I made that up.)
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CW5 Baker,
Sir, I was just having this conversation with my Command Chief the other day. When in a Joint environment, I feel that some branches try to skate the regs (AF=AFI36-2903 for Dress and Appearance) since the assumption is that the other Branches do not know.
I realize that most feel that the AF regulations are more lax than other branches, but it really is not. Folks sometimes just want to do their own thing. Which makes me crazy. (e.g., female hair) :\
Sir, I was just having this conversation with my Command Chief the other day. When in a Joint environment, I feel that some branches try to skate the regs (AF=AFI36-2903 for Dress and Appearance) since the assumption is that the other Branches do not know.
I realize that most feel that the AF regulations are more lax than other branches, but it really is not. Folks sometimes just want to do their own thing. Which makes me crazy. (e.g., female hair) :\
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
CMSgt (Join to see) , I realize that ALL services have pretty much the same guidelines and restrictions, DoD is a pretty well disciplined group of folks, whether a Marine, Airman, Sailor or Soldier. I truly have opinions, but I can honestly tell you that most serve and wear the uniform with pride. I used to think all Navy folks were fat. I know better, but in Japan, it just seemed that way when I was a young private.
The individuals out there know WHO they are and do these things most of the time intentionally, almost never by accident.
The individuals out there know WHO they are and do these things most of the time intentionally, almost never by accident.
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CMSgt (Join to see)
Sir, I concur fervently! I have been known to tell my female troops, "Keep *cute* for the weekends. It is called a "uniform" for a reason." :)
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