Posted on Oct 31, 2018
Everyone keeps telling me that I'm going to be disqualified for having only one kidney...so when does this disqualification come?
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Yeah, I know, you've all told me that I'm never going to get into any branch of the military with only one kidney. The Army has already disqualified me and now I'm in the middle of trying to enlist in the Air Force. People keep telling me that I have no chance of joining, but I'm making more progress than you've all expected. My recruiter has my medical papers and he knows all about my one kidney. And yet, he didn't turn me down and give me an automatic disqualification. He said I can go take the ASVAB, which I took today and scored a 94 on, and then he said that he'll send my scores down to be looked at so that I can be considered for MEPS.
So....when does this so-called "automatic disqualification" show up, because I ain't seeing it. I took the ASVAB, scored high on it, and now I'm being considered for MEPS. And what happens when my recruiter says I'm in the clear for MEPS? What happens when I pass the physical and MEPS lets me swear in? What happens when they notice that my one kidney doesn't impede me in any way? Chances are you all will still be saying "You're never gonna get in! You're disqualified!"
I honestly just typed this up because I like that I'm proving you guys wrong so far. I've made it farther than any of you have anticipated and I'm just the type of guy who likes to rub things in.
So....when does this so-called "automatic disqualification" show up, because I ain't seeing it. I took the ASVAB, scored high on it, and now I'm being considered for MEPS. And what happens when my recruiter says I'm in the clear for MEPS? What happens when I pass the physical and MEPS lets me swear in? What happens when they notice that my one kidney doesn't impede me in any way? Chances are you all will still be saying "You're never gonna get in! You're disqualified!"
I honestly just typed this up because I like that I'm proving you guys wrong so far. I've made it farther than any of you have anticipated and I'm just the type of guy who likes to rub things in.
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I get the impression that if you do somehow manage get into the military, you will not make it through your first Enlistment.
The military is a small place. You asked for advice, they gave you the best advice based on reference and policy. You went out of your way to mock and spit in the face of the people who shared their experience and knowledge with you. Pettiness is a poor trait for a future leader.
The military is a small place. You asked for advice, they gave you the best advice based on reference and policy. You went out of your way to mock and spit in the face of the people who shared their experience and knowledge with you. Pettiness is a poor trait for a future leader.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
CPL Joseph Elinger - I don't know why you directed this to me but medically and physically I don't think I'd want him in a unit I was part of. I agree with your answer thoroughly. . I wouldn't want to have to count on him in either capacity.
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Kenn Evans II
His hubris sounds like something to get you killed. I agree with the advice presented based on policy. In my speciality, we would get him out of our division asap if, he even made it.
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Great that you'd like to enlist.
Unfortunately, the automatic disqualification occurred on, or before, April 28, 2010.
Department of Defense Instruction NUMBER 6130.03, April 28, 2010,
Incorporating Change 1, September 13, 2011, states:
2. MEDICAL STANDARDS. Throughout this enclosure, ICD, CPT and HCPCS codes are included with most medical conditions and procedures, usually parenthetically, to aid cross-referencing. Unless otherwise stipulated, the conditions listed in this enclosure are those that do NOT meet the standard by virtue of current diagnosis, or for which the candidate has a verified past medical history. The medical standards for appointment, enlistment, or induction into the Military Services are classified by the general systems described in sections 3-3031 of this enclosure.
16.h. Conditions associated with the kidneys, including:
(1) Current absence of one kidney, congenital (753.0) or acquired (V45.73) (CPT 50220-50236).
Unfortunately, the automatic disqualification occurred on, or before, April 28, 2010.
Department of Defense Instruction NUMBER 6130.03, April 28, 2010,
Incorporating Change 1, September 13, 2011, states:
2. MEDICAL STANDARDS. Throughout this enclosure, ICD, CPT and HCPCS codes are included with most medical conditions and procedures, usually parenthetically, to aid cross-referencing. Unless otherwise stipulated, the conditions listed in this enclosure are those that do NOT meet the standard by virtue of current diagnosis, or for which the candidate has a verified past medical history. The medical standards for appointment, enlistment, or induction into the Military Services are classified by the general systems described in sections 3-3031 of this enclosure.
16.h. Conditions associated with the kidneys, including:
(1) Current absence of one kidney, congenital (753.0) or acquired (V45.73) (CPT 50220-50236).
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CPL Joseph Elinger
SSG Todd Cadle
Heavy Calluses?
Wow!
I had a wicked case of them & (seriously): 1 Pedicure, problem solved. No kidding!
PS: My local Barber/Beauty School charges $5 for a Haircut, & $14 for a Pedicure.
Too cost effective.
LOL !
Heavy Calluses?
Wow!
I had a wicked case of them & (seriously): 1 Pedicure, problem solved. No kidding!
PS: My local Barber/Beauty School charges $5 for a Haircut, & $14 for a Pedicure.
Too cost effective.
LOL !
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CPL Joseph Elinger
SPC Steven Depuy
I'll bet it's something like in retail sales. You get credit for your sales, & deducted for returns.
In time, the stats speak louder.
I had the lowest returns of ,y sales ratios, but inbound return customers were ALWAYS my prospects for making right the previous remorse & making my sale.
LOL !
I'll bet it's something like in retail sales. You get credit for your sales, & deducted for returns.
In time, the stats speak louder.
I had the lowest returns of ,y sales ratios, but inbound return customers were ALWAYS my prospects for making right the previous remorse & making my sale.
LOL !
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SGT Matthew Bellemare
Well THAT was just about as clear cut and unambiguous as you can get. Still, a phrase almost as old as the UD Military itself is “there is a wavier for everything.” So maybe there is a small chance. Given this kids attitude, I can’t decide if I am rooting for or against him. He Wants to serve his country and is trying hard to overcome his obstacles, which is admirable. The shitty attitude displayed in his post here though ...
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Madison, your attitude sucks. If they let you enlist, then come back and thank all of the RallyPoint members that were trying to help you.
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Cee Cee Broughton
"being as strong as the weakest link" comes to mind. How many men are accepted in the armed forces with ZERO CHARACTER. Four years later a few are worthy of the uniform. Let us have faith in the system and leadership to make something out of nothing, for the lack of a kidney is the least of this individuals problems. He doesn't need another Kidney, he needs a Brain. THAT COST and time is just WAY TO MUCH.
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Cee Cee Broughton - A later post reflects the final disqualification for Madison.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-ve-just-been-disqualified-from-the-air-force-is-this-really-the-end-of-my-military-career
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-ve-just-been-disqualified-from-the-air-force-is-this-really-the-end-of-my-military-career
I've just been disqualified from the Air Force. Is this really the end of my military career? |...
I was called into the recruiting office by my recruiter and he told me that MEPS has kicked back my medical papers with a PDQ. There was a handwritten note from one of the doctors. It basically said that my one kidney is a condition that they'll never give a waiver for and that my disqualification is across all branches, not just the Air Force. Is this really the end of my military career? I read online that you could possibly contact your...
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Sgt James K Seaton
"Posted on the original link as well"
I don't know by your name if your male or female, doesn't matter to me and it won't matter if you get in. My advice, 1) get your head out of your rectal deformity and try being more gracious to those that have shared their knowledge. That also really doesn't matter either, I've seen several cocky male/female recruits hit the yellow foot prints, and the DI's will certainly help you with an attitude adjustment. 2) Take your appeal directly to President Trump, (CIC), he is the only one at this stage that can "order" it done.
My advice on that though, is you better summon every speck of humility you can way down in your "pity party" hole, and show verbally, how you are committed to at least one tour of serving your Country. Have some Veterans that you can find to "proof read" it several times so that you strike the correct balance of tone and tenner, as in Respect for the CIC and Services, desire to serve, and Duty to Country. As it's been said, you started with a slim to no chance of serving, but the optimist in me says you got nothing to loose by going to the Senior Member of the Chain of Command. All he can say is, "sorry, but No". If you have the intestinal fortitude and courage, go for it. As I used to tell my Team Mates, "hitch up you nut sack or boob sack" gender specific, because we're back to only two genders in the Military again, and take your case to the man.
Good luck and Semper Fidelis.
I don't know by your name if your male or female, doesn't matter to me and it won't matter if you get in. My advice, 1) get your head out of your rectal deformity and try being more gracious to those that have shared their knowledge. That also really doesn't matter either, I've seen several cocky male/female recruits hit the yellow foot prints, and the DI's will certainly help you with an attitude adjustment. 2) Take your appeal directly to President Trump, (CIC), he is the only one at this stage that can "order" it done.
My advice on that though, is you better summon every speck of humility you can way down in your "pity party" hole, and show verbally, how you are committed to at least one tour of serving your Country. Have some Veterans that you can find to "proof read" it several times so that you strike the correct balance of tone and tenner, as in Respect for the CIC and Services, desire to serve, and Duty to Country. As it's been said, you started with a slim to no chance of serving, but the optimist in me says you got nothing to loose by going to the Senior Member of the Chain of Command. All he can say is, "sorry, but No". If you have the intestinal fortitude and courage, go for it. As I used to tell my Team Mates, "hitch up you nut sack or boob sack" gender specific, because we're back to only two genders in the Military again, and take your case to the man.
Good luck and Semper Fidelis.
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Madison Holloway your disqualification will come when you sit down with the MEPS doctor and they see the documents saying you only have one kidney. They will then reference DOD policy (not air force or army) and disqualify you. At that point, your branch specific waiver authority who looks at hundreds of waiver requests a day will review your waiver request, the notes of the medical doctor that disqualified you, and make his or her determination. Make no mistake about, you will be automatically disqualified at MEPS, but if your service of choice has expanded the waiver guidance, you may be granted a waiver to serve in a minimum capacity. You are not deployable worldwide with one kidney and the military is kicking people out every day who have served 15 great years and now can't deploy.
While your enthusiasm is appreciated and your ASVAB scores are impressive, your attitude is deplorable. Keep in mind these same non-commissioned officers, soldiers, and commissioned officers that took the time to give you advice (on upwards of 5 separate posts) are the same people who will be your commanders, supervisors, and peers. Your mocking, and vindictive tones will not win you any praise in their eyes...and a the military is very small community. Heck, some may even be your civilian employers or connected in some way. Don't burn bridges. You would be wise to stop posting here, start listening to the amazing advice senior leaders have shared, and start considering options outside of the military.
Best of luck in all of your endeavors.
While your enthusiasm is appreciated and your ASVAB scores are impressive, your attitude is deplorable. Keep in mind these same non-commissioned officers, soldiers, and commissioned officers that took the time to give you advice (on upwards of 5 separate posts) are the same people who will be your commanders, supervisors, and peers. Your mocking, and vindictive tones will not win you any praise in their eyes...and a the military is very small community. Heck, some may even be your civilian employers or connected in some way. Don't burn bridges. You would be wise to stop posting here, start listening to the amazing advice senior leaders have shared, and start considering options outside of the military.
Best of luck in all of your endeavors.
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1LT Rich Voss
Kyle, couldn't have said it better myself. My experience during the draft (1966 in my case) was that lots of "disqualified" guys were initially taken, or enlisted, only to be determined to be ineligible later. Sometimes within days, others longer. Some even died during Basic Training, AIT, or (again in my case) OCS during "simple" and "normal" marching, running or more strenuous activities. I was always saddened by these unnecessary and untimely deaths that really had nothing to do with serving our country. Best wishes to you !
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I was all set to roast you for your attitude but then I figured...nah. I'll just let things run along until you get disqualified at MEPS (because you WILL be disqualified, it's DOD policy, nothing the AF can do about it), and then bask in the salty goodness of your tears and frustration and shame at how wrong you were. Publicly wrong. Then I'll lift a toast to the bullet GOOD members of the military dodged by not having you at their side, and then I'll forget you even exist. Cheers!
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SSG Robert Perrotto
thing is - people like the OP will never come back to admit those salty tears, or even let us know when it happens - crow eating is not something arrogance will let happen
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SSG Robert Perrotto - I actually was wrong on this one - he did come back and post that the Meps Docs DQ him. So - I absolutely am eating some crow on this!
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Ok. Yeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh. I'm done. Your attitude of trying to prove us wrong just sucks. Even if you do get it (which you won't), everyone that you are figuratively pissing on right now could very well be your future Supervisor or Commanding Officer. Go ahead. Torch that bridge before you cross it. What I'm going to do is sit back in my lawn chair and wait for your waterfall tears of sadness and rejection. Then I'm going to place my coffee cup under your eyes so your tears can flavor my coffee. And there is nothing sweeter in my coffee than tears of sadness and rejection. Let me know when they tell you to hit the road so I can get the coffee ready.
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TSgt David Holman
MSG (Join to see) I wouldn't even need the coffee... it would only soil the tears, we need those pure, that is where the life force is!
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SSG Lyle O'Rorke
TSgt David Holman awww the taste of the tear from a person with an inflated ego getting rejected make life worth living.
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I'm going to be blunt. You are not qualified. A recruiter wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't trying to tell you he could get you through. I'll put it this way, if you seriously only have one kidney, it took me exactly 3 seconds to pull up the answer to your question.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=B0baW7y4DKSkjwSAi7qgAw&q=can+you+join+the+military+with+only+one+kidney&oq=Can+you+join+the+military+with+only+one&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0j0i22i30l3.2190.9076..9976...1.0..0.161.3932.27j13......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131j0i131i67j0i67j0i13j0i22i10i30.ue6BrogKvNM
That being said, if you are lying, you are a troll. Why you would choose to troll a military networking site is beyond me...
If you end up enlisting, best of luck to you, because you will be gone before you finish your second week of training. You have shown no ability to take criticism, and have shown direct disrespect to NCOs and SNCOs. If you were to do that as a trainee, well, lets just say you wouldn't have trouble passing the push up portion of your PT test.
Let me take the time to call you out on something else. You took the ASVAB today... yet you said you scored a 94. Do you have a time machine? If so, maybe you can get in it to see for yourself that you won't be able to enlist. Otherwise, it takes roughly 2-3 weeks to score an ASVAB (and sorry, but reading your posts I don't get the feeling that you would truly be better than 94% of the average 18-23 year old populace).
http://official-asvab.com/understand_coun.htm
If you want to continue coming on here and blasting people and telling blatant lies, be sure you are able to back them up, and realize that the people on these boards communicate with each other professionally.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=B0baW7y4DKSkjwSAi7qgAw&q=can+you+join+the+military+with+only+one+kidney&oq=Can+you+join+the+military+with+only+one&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0j0i22i30l3.2190.9076..9976...1.0..0.161.3932.27j13......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131j0i131i67j0i67j0i13j0i22i10i30.ue6BrogKvNM
That being said, if you are lying, you are a troll. Why you would choose to troll a military networking site is beyond me...
If you end up enlisting, best of luck to you, because you will be gone before you finish your second week of training. You have shown no ability to take criticism, and have shown direct disrespect to NCOs and SNCOs. If you were to do that as a trainee, well, lets just say you wouldn't have trouble passing the push up portion of your PT test.
Let me take the time to call you out on something else. You took the ASVAB today... yet you said you scored a 94. Do you have a time machine? If so, maybe you can get in it to see for yourself that you won't be able to enlist. Otherwise, it takes roughly 2-3 weeks to score an ASVAB (and sorry, but reading your posts I don't get the feeling that you would truly be better than 94% of the average 18-23 year old populace).
http://official-asvab.com/understand_coun.htm
If you want to continue coming on here and blasting people and telling blatant lies, be sure you are able to back them up, and realize that the people on these boards communicate with each other professionally.
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SGT Sean Emory
Just throwing this out there, but you can absolutely get your score the same day. I spent my first year in working for Recruiting and Retention. When our reps took the ASVAB, I left the testing site with their scores in my hand within 30 minutes.
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PO1 Chad Alcock
Since they are doing most of the ASVABs electronically now, you can get your score almost immediately, I had many applicants take it the night before enlisting.
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TSgt David Holman
PO1 Chad Alcock - I wasn't aware when I posted this that they had moved to an electronic version. I am used to the old scantron versions. I guess I am just old.
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PO1 Chad Alcock
TSgt David Holman - I took the old scantron version at MEPS when I joined the National Guard in high school ('95). When I joined the Navy, they had transitioned to electronic ('01). It is hard to keep up on the current information when you are no longer in though.
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You know what? Screw it. My first response came when I was tired, was being diplomatic. This morning after a solid 5 hours of sleep and two cups of Mississippi mud I go back and re-read. FTS.
You're an arrogant, ungrateful prick. You come here asking for advice of people that are not just senior but KNOW what the hell they are talking about. Many of whom are or were recruiters for the various branches. You get shown time and again that it is not an individual branch policy but rather DOD which overrides, oversees and commands all branches as far as policy, that you are barking in the wrong tree. You get provided documentation in the form of articles and current regulations to back up what each and every person here has said, repeatedly. Then, on top of that you ask where something comes in when it has already been shown to you where it comes in and has come in. The Army took one look at you and said nope. That is auto disqualification. Period.
You scored 94 on the ASVAB. You know what that gets you and means? Hurray, I have toilet paper. It means nothing in terms of getting you enlisted. It just means, depending on how the scores break down that you are open for more jobs in more branches. That is all. That score will not over ride a disqualifying characteristic and will not open a door that is not there. You have ONE, count it ONE kidney. You will not be joining ANY branch of the armed services until and unless DOD current policy is amended that is not likely to happen in your lifetime.
Next we move on to your ignorance of what 'progress' is in military terms. Progress is not getting some Air Force recruiter to let you take the ASVAB. Progress is not even getting sent to MEPS. Those are standard things that are done a million times a year or more. Progress is getting to MEPS and making it past the battery of highly trained Doctors, technicians and screeners and getting them to not just sign off on your disqualifier but pulling the magic trick and getting a recruiter at MEPS to break regulations and enlist you.
Then we address your arrogance as if all of the above was not bad enough. For you to come here and state in closing that you are THAT guy, that loves for nothing more than to rub things in. That was stupid. It's not what the military or members are about. It is not the attitude of a team player. Part of me wants to see you succeed and pull that magic trick if only for no other reason than for you to get to that first duty station and wash out the first time you try to 'rub it in' to the wrong person and get that bad conduct discharge and chapter with an RE-4.
You are a CF walking. You are a chapter and bad conduct discharge in the making. You lack what it takes to BE part of the warfighter.
You're an arrogant, ungrateful prick. You come here asking for advice of people that are not just senior but KNOW what the hell they are talking about. Many of whom are or were recruiters for the various branches. You get shown time and again that it is not an individual branch policy but rather DOD which overrides, oversees and commands all branches as far as policy, that you are barking in the wrong tree. You get provided documentation in the form of articles and current regulations to back up what each and every person here has said, repeatedly. Then, on top of that you ask where something comes in when it has already been shown to you where it comes in and has come in. The Army took one look at you and said nope. That is auto disqualification. Period.
You scored 94 on the ASVAB. You know what that gets you and means? Hurray, I have toilet paper. It means nothing in terms of getting you enlisted. It just means, depending on how the scores break down that you are open for more jobs in more branches. That is all. That score will not over ride a disqualifying characteristic and will not open a door that is not there. You have ONE, count it ONE kidney. You will not be joining ANY branch of the armed services until and unless DOD current policy is amended that is not likely to happen in your lifetime.
Next we move on to your ignorance of what 'progress' is in military terms. Progress is not getting some Air Force recruiter to let you take the ASVAB. Progress is not even getting sent to MEPS. Those are standard things that are done a million times a year or more. Progress is getting to MEPS and making it past the battery of highly trained Doctors, technicians and screeners and getting them to not just sign off on your disqualifier but pulling the magic trick and getting a recruiter at MEPS to break regulations and enlist you.
Then we address your arrogance as if all of the above was not bad enough. For you to come here and state in closing that you are THAT guy, that loves for nothing more than to rub things in. That was stupid. It's not what the military or members are about. It is not the attitude of a team player. Part of me wants to see you succeed and pull that magic trick if only for no other reason than for you to get to that first duty station and wash out the first time you try to 'rub it in' to the wrong person and get that bad conduct discharge and chapter with an RE-4.
You are a CF walking. You are a chapter and bad conduct discharge in the making. You lack what it takes to BE part of the warfighter.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
what giggles me is he believes that a 94 asvab score is something special - I got a 107 tripping on mesc. (delayed entry for the win) - Not condoning drug use, as I cleaned up lickety split ( my father would have disowned me) had I been DQ for substance abuse. wait - I might be confusing GT score with the asvab - if so I will eat some crow
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SSG Randy Talbot
Couldn't agree more. There are two types of folks who serve, liabilities and assets. Assets contribute to the success of the mission, the team and section. Liabilities are the ones who spread discord in the ranks, diminish the moral of the unit and get people killed. I was always told that we spend 90% of our time on 10% of our soldiers, the worse 10%. That leaves us 10% of our time for the remaining 90% of our soldiers. This has nothing to do with asvab scores or proving a point at the expense of any sense of personal integrity. You young man, if you get into the military, and you pass through basic training, and your service school, will be assigned to a unit. There you will be isolated by your peers and they will determine how far you get. You cannot serve alone, that's the thing your attitude tells me, you are not ready to serve, you have no humility, no integrity and an overexaggerated sense of self importance. One thing to remember, you are not the first to ever serve and you won't be the last. The service will not conform to you, but you will conform to the service. You need the service more than it needs you. And when you are sitting on a street corner wallowing in your own self pity, remember, you had an opportunity to be an asset but chose to be a liability.
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Too cute... he thinks a 94 on the asvab is impressive... you have 1 kidney. You will not get a waiver. How have you proven us wrong? You have not passed MEPS and that is what we all agree won’t happen.
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Right? The asvab isn’t exactly the MCATs. Sometimes, recruiters just keep people around because they have a lot of extra keychains and T-shirts to give away before the end of their cycle.
But unless we get into 2 or 3 major, conventional wars next month, and serious waivers start being issued, I don’t think a person with one kidney is getting in.
But unless we get into 2 or 3 major, conventional wars next month, and serious waivers start being issued, I don’t think a person with one kidney is getting in.
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