Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
166K
2.32K
776
327
327
0
What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Avatar feed
Responses: 460
PO2 John Driskill
1
1
0
As W.C. Fields said in one of his movies, "Never give a sucker an even break.". The VA has a history of giving benefits to those who don't deserve them. A guy a few years back conned the VA with false paperwork and got combat related disability pay. Only one problem, he never served. He did it for years before they caught him.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
PV2 Calvin Richardson
1
1
0
PTSD is tricky to evaluate. I didn't get it from the military but I have it none the less. I am managing it through counseling and medicine. Fraud is fraud.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SFC Terry Bryant
1
1
0
The Military like any institution in the history of the world is made up of all different walks of people. That being said I would add that the vast majority of people in the Military are good and honorable people with good intentions and good souls. However there are ALWAYS going to be less than honorable and good people who joined the Military for less than honorable reasons. Those same people have no remorse getting VA benefits for their own selfish gain rather than compensation for real and true disabilities. I myself have PTSD after 33 years and multiple deployments. However I was able to overcome that disability with strong family and incredible friends with whom I served. I had my VA reps begging me to let them put that into my compensation folder yet I absolutely refused. Why many people asked? For one there were and are many many men and women who were much worse than I that deserved it much more them I. I do draw VA compensation but it is for multiple injuries and disabilities I sustained during my over 3 decades of service. As for pre-existing conditions, I had A preexisting condition before I joined the Army way back in 1987. However in my 32 years of service I NEVER FAILED an APFT, nor did I fail to perform all 3 events of the APFT every 6 months with the exception of when I had any one of the 9 surgeries surgeries. That included back surgeries, knee surgeries, shoulder surgeries. I was still dong a full PT test until the day I retired. Of course my Army doctors tried in vain to get me to accept permanent profiles explaining I was crippling myself by continuing to train so hard. But is that not what we are suppose to do. Does the Military and by extension the Nation not depend on Military members to be in the best shape mentally and physically? I always believed so and I would not have stayed in the Army if I could not perform all the functions my jobs required of me. That is the difference between those who accept VA compensation based on false pretenses and those who do not.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
TSgt Ray Lewis
1
1
0
I spent 24 years in the service. I'm a Korean War Vet and never went near Korea. I was in from 53 to 77. Never saw any type of combat. Was in the Philippians when Vietnam ended. Retired in 77 and then got a real dangerous job. Went to work for the PO. and now think I can qualify to get PTSD disability for worrying about those other nuts that would come in and go Postal.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
PO1 Don Uhrig
1
1
0
https://www.justice.gov/

If you believe am individual is claiming false information. Use the link above. And be sure of your facts. Don't be a dic.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
Sgt Michael Coan
1
1
0
Edited >1 y ago
if one gets shot in VN before PTSD was recognized even if the VA gave them a disability and called it anxiety and gave the person 5 years of a shrink, but the person still lives with and but copes well with the situation, should the VA have automatically change the anxiety to PTSD once PTSD was recognized? i think so. but the VA does not. we know lots of guys like this. they have to reapply and risk losing all benefits is what the VA says..
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SSG Jeffrey Monk
1
1
0
How did this joker pull 100%. I have a purple heart and TBI. Spent 1 1/2 at WRMC dealing with mental and physical issues after getting medivaced outta country. Memory was so bad my guardian had to drive me everywhere till the Life 360 app came out and the put a GPS into my car. That's the problem with the VA system, no freaken consistency.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SPC Floyd Hall
1
1
0
Is the V.A. still giving large gratuities to senior staff and senior officials and still want to screw the veterans. Where would they be allowed to give the substandard care we currently receive. Whats next? Will we be charged for phone calls?
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
LTC Ernest Edge
1
1
0
Absolutely should be investigated to determine fraud. Treat the VA as Uncle Sugar to get free money and benefits is wrong. If fraud can be shown then penalties need to be applied.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SR Michele Butcher
1
1
0
My take on this is u less you are involved intimately in this persons care stay out of it because you really have no idea exactly whats happening. I was brutally raped by my master chief and then when i reported it i was thrown into a mental institution and then throw out of the military all because i had the bad grace to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. A split second was all it took to change my life forever sure i can act like im fine but im not I’m paranoid im suicidal and im now a recluse and it happened to me over 30 years ago unoess you were there when the “incident “ he’s claiming happened you dont know what actually happened and just because they say they’re fine doesn’t mean they are never judge something you dont 100% know just support them even if you think they’re a douche canoe
(1)
Comment
(0)
CPT David Gowel
CPT David Gowel
>1 y
Hi SR Michele Butcher, I'm sorry to hear what you went through. There are options out there for you to talk with someone. This link has ways to get connected to professional online support & in-person resources near you.

https://www.rallypoint.com/emergency-support
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close