Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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SGT Rodney Horn
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Here is a quick explanation of Service Connections works.
"A VA service-connected disability is an injury or disease incurred in or aggravated beyond normal progression during active military service."

What's this mean? Well, here's an example: Say you had a knee injury before entering the military; if something happened that even worsened this condition, you qualify for SC if you can prove that during your service in the military, it had gotten worse. Simply put, the injury DOES NOT have to originate from your military service; you have to prove it got worse.
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PO2 Morio Tanigawa
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Remove all personal weapons from his home and not allow him to possess or own any weapons. This includes hunting. Let him go fishing as he has been doing all his military career.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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P.T.S.D. MUST Be Such A Broad Field.
I Was TOLD I Have P.T.S.D. By The Doctors & It's On My Medical Records...
.But I Do NOT Think So Myself...
I Think THEY'RE Full Of SH*T.
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Cpl Craig Howard
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In this specific situation, I would say he should be investigated. If your scenario is accurate, then at a minimum, benefits should be denied and reimbursement should be considered. Consideration of Fraud charges either with civilian court or under the UCMJ is also in order. It is hard to think that he was so good at faking this that he fooled all of the professionals and Doctors he had to talk to to get that 100% rating. I sincerely hope this is not wide spread and taking services from those who need and deserve it.
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GySgt Michael Payne
GySgt Michael Payne
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It is, I see it every day at our local VA Medical Center. One of the largest in the south east. They come to start the process of a check...
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MAJ Jack Horn, LPC, NCC, CCMHC, CCTP, CCTP-II, CCFP, CDBT
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I’m always intrigued by discussions on PTSD. There are a lot of myths and misunderstandings. For the record, I’m a licensed professional with three board certifications in diagnosing and treating PTSD. Often, the term is used too broadly to describe traumatic experiences that don’t meet the diagnostic threshold. Only certain very specific types of trauma with specified post traumatic symptoms qualify for PTSD. Lesser traumas can meet the criteria for other trauma or stress disorders, such as an adjustment disorder. Not everyone who has been in a combat zone gets PTSD. They may be stressed or even traumatized by the experience, but that doesn’t equate to any form of PTSD necessarily. I carry 10-20 veterans on my caseload at any time as a provider in the VA community care network. My experience with VA behavioral health is that the quality of the service depends on where you are. My clients have been universally unimpressed with their treatment at the VA for a variety of reasons. Many of the VA providers in my area are not adequately qualified or trained to treat PTSD and a variety of other issues.

Do some veterans fake their PTSD? I’m sure that’s the case. A trained, competent therapist is a lot harder to fool. While it’s true that some veterans with PTSD downplay their situation with their families, are non-compliant with treatment, and lie, these can still be red flags to look into. The case related by OP sounds sufficiently suspicious to be examined further. On a further note, even those veterans whose trauma doesn’t meet criteria for PTSD need treatment. Often, many of the signs and symptoms are the same as PTSD and respond well to the same behavioral health interventions.
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GySgt Michael Payne
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Good response Doc...
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CPT Ryan Kelly
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PTSD is highly personal. Who are we to get inside someone's head. If the man served in a war zone, then he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Any dishonest or dishonorable intent is something he has to carry as a man.
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SGT Bill Braniff
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He is a definite fraud and should be prosecuted to the extent of the law. I don't know how he came to get 100% as you have to be drooling crazy to get 100% for PTSD. Must have had a lot of other problems medically? PTSD is easy to get. There are fraudsters out there who specialize in getting a soldier PTSD money as it is hard to disprove, except in this guys case.. I can tell you that if you have PTSD from combat, and I don't mean a causal aquaintance with the same, it never goes away. I am 78 and live with it every day, BUT! I have learned to live with it. If you ever watch an interview from WWII andKorean Vets who were in combat, you will see teary eyes at the remembrance. Shell shock is what this emend had or so it was said. Shell shock and PTSD are the same. For 11 years after I was discharged from the Army after Vietnam I was in a. fog. I remember very little. I can't remember my kids being born, first haircut, first days of school. It was all mostly a blank page on my life. Since then I was able to work had a small successful business, but I was never far from some of the tings I saw or witnessed.
It hurts when I see some f the people getting tax payer money for something that isn't real.
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SFC William Linnell
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All I can say is, I thought the same thing about AF or Navy being on a large Base, never go outside the wire, have organized PT with a main road being shutdown to traffic. How the hell do they claim PTSD?? But sometimes they hear mortars n rockets flying over but not even close to the area they're staying. How can that be traumatic?? Then doing my Retirement physical, I watched a civilians take a few Soldiers, 5-6, and instructed them how to fake the funk and get a higher rating for PTSD. Ethical? Not buy a long shot. I didn't believe I had it coming back to the Post. Then one day, While in the 1SG and CO's office they said I could speak freely. My field of vision went to zero, all black and did my speak freely. Then something snapped me back to reality and I realized I over loaded my a$$. The CO was pushed back against the wall in his chair with terror in his eyes and he couldn't push the wall back further. 1SG just sat there. When I was done, I snapped to attention and asked forgiveness bc I don't have a clue to what happened but TOP said we're going to the hospital.

If you think of questioning a PTSD eval, think again. You don't know their mindset when they went over and what the came back with. A lesson I learned. even still today being retired for about 10 years, I still catch myself watching the sides of the road, get tense when someone is driving to close or stopped right up my butt at a light. I start running thru my nugget of escape routes.

Along with this, I know for a fact that the Army is severely understrength with Mental Health providers. It's even the same within the VA. I'm on my 5th shrink. They need to quit with pushing drugs as a quick fix cure all. WARNO!!! This of you on here reading this, Please take under personal experience. GET OFF AMBIEN OR ITS GENERIC. For one if on it too long, it starts with short term memory loss leading to dementia, not only the strange crap you do at night, you will not know you did it. My mom is beginning with dementia and what they call Sun down Syndrome. Creates bad hallucinations, even going out and walk off. Luckily we found her before hyperthermia was taking over. Over 4 hrs of heating her core temp to normal.

What a service members rating is for PTSD disability rating.....Worry about the 6 ft bubble surrounding you. Be a help not a hinderent.
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TSgt Infantryman
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TMy comment is a slightly beside main topic. i recently was convince to file a VA claim because of the constant ringing in my ears. Was award 40%. Thought ok great!.
Then BOHICA, DFAS deducted the full amount from my retiree pay.
Talk about FUBAR. This takes the prize. After some research the most embarrasseing shameful apparrent fact is the FUBAR bill was passed when Republicans ruled.
WT?
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SPC Brian Jones
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"Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?"
If the individual was not found "incompetent" then they will retain their second amendment rights.
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