Posted on Dec 8, 2017
Fighting Against the Movies: Not Everyone Pulls Triggers
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Recently, I have found myself having long conversations with civilians about the military. I am a full time student at a private university in Kansas and much of the faculty and student body has never even thought about joining the military. It isn’t anything strange; this is to be expected at such a small school and the fact that the military makes up less than 1% of the population of the country. What is interesting is that many of them have only the movies to go off of when forming their view of what everyone does in the military. Sadly, making movies about productive supply sergeants and personnel clerks doesn’t really make people line up outside of the theaters. Many civilians, in my experience, have this idea in their head that every single member of the military is out on the battlefield, kicking in doors and getting shot at or blown up. Those of us who have spent any amount of time in the military knows that this is far from the reality of the military. Perhaps this is where recruiting takes the biggest hit.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
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The other reality is that civilians assume most ex-military joined because they couldn’t cut it in college. I work at a nuclear power plant, so when I meet college grads at work, a lot of them are surprised when they find out I’m a veteran and don’t have a degree. They don’t believe that ex-military non-college people could possibly be smart enough to succeed in the nuclear industry. When they find out close to 75% of the workforce at my plant are veterans, they’re even more surprised.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Degree really is a nice to have at some point in both the civilian and military world, but doesn't mean much. Sure you need a degree to get a commission but thats a requirement not necessarily somethi g that shows your ability. My son joined the Air Force right out of high school, I actually swore him in at the MEP center. He went into aircraft avionics, did very well and was eventually recruited into the telecommunications industry when his enlistment was over. He did very well but had way more job changes than I understood, but that is a fact of life in that industry. Many of the new hires who worked for him were individuals with college degrees learning the business. While he was a top technician who was always being recruited he realized that if he ever wanted to go beyond where he was he needed a degree. He ultimately got a degree in computer engineering but this was 15 years after leaving the military and training many college graduates.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
After Vietnam and the cut back, I did he only thing the NAVY taught me that was workable in Civilian life, I became a Firefighter. I also became the RDO (Radiological Detection Officer) for the County when the Emergency Preparedness Officer found out that I spent 8 years on Nuclear Carriers. With 5 reactor sites in SC 3 with a 50 mile EPZ of our County plus Savanna River Site, and the major highway system transporting the high and low level waste Its a fun place. When we had the first full scale exercise for V.C Summer Plant, the US DOE and the NRC inspectors came in to inspect us on our evacuation reception centers for those in the 10 mile EPZ areas and closer in the 50 mile EPZ areas. I set up the reception areas and coordinated everything. After everything was over the Investigators asked what school I got my training from, I told them USS Enterprise and USS Nimitz. Diploma's are only a piece of paper. Front line training is where knowledge is honed!
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CPO David Ransom
In Nuc School we used slide rules, not calculators. I remember taking quizzes where we were calculating the change in the orifice that anti-matter came through to bring the Starship Enterprise from Warp Factor 3 to Warp Factor 9.
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MSgt John McGowan
I worked with some of these Navy types. nuclear field. PO2 Scott those folks are smart.
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I do not know if there really is a way to educate all of the public about what the military entails. I frequently get asked when I meet someone new and they find out I am a retired Marine, "Did you ever kill anyone?" I explain I was an avionics technician and that leads to them asking what that is which in turn leads to me explaining I worked on aircraft which leads to them proclaiming they never even knew the Marine Corps had aircraft.
A year or two ago at work I was in a meeting with a Lieutenant Governor of one of the US's Pacific territories, that will soon be home to troops that are currently stationed in Okinawa, and afterwards he was talking about how the Navy only had aircraft carriers so the Air Force could have a place to fly their planes from. I had to explain that aircraft carriers have US Navy and Marine Corps aircraft on them not Air Force ones and that ended our conversation. If you can't even depend on politicians who's jurisdiction depend on the US military to understand the makeup of the military, can you really expect civilians who have very little if any contact with the military to understand us?
A year or two ago at work I was in a meeting with a Lieutenant Governor of one of the US's Pacific territories, that will soon be home to troops that are currently stationed in Okinawa, and afterwards he was talking about how the Navy only had aircraft carriers so the Air Force could have a place to fly their planes from. I had to explain that aircraft carriers have US Navy and Marine Corps aircraft on them not Air Force ones and that ended our conversation. If you can't even depend on politicians who's jurisdiction depend on the US military to understand the makeup of the military, can you really expect civilians who have very little if any contact with the military to understand us?
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LCpl Emanuel W.
SSgt (Join to see) - Ya learn something new everyday! I stand corrected. That is something I didn't know, yet never bothered to google. I have great respect for all pilots, and ground crew. Always wished I could be either a pilot or RIO.
Thanks for the interesting and informative document.
Thanks for the interesting and informative document.
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PO3 Rick Bohan
When I first got out of the Navy as a FMF Corpsman I was asked by my teenage step brother asked me if I killed anyone while in the military. I look at him a say not on purpose but did have a few of them die on me. Then he looks at me and was so confused. I told him my job was to save lives not take them.
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TSgt David Case
CAPT (Join to see) - It is truly scary how much the civilian pop. thinks it knows as to what it Really knows...
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LTC Michael Hrycak
Quite a few years ago, after Tom Clancy had his first book, Hunt for Red October, published, he was being interviewed and was asked what was the greatest surprise to him after the success of his book. He said that it was when a Congressional staffer had contacted him because his Congressman wanted to know where he got the classified material for the caterpillar drive. Tom Clancy replied that there is no such drive, he had made it up for the book. But, he was worried that a member of Congress, who make decisions about real submarines, didn't know that his made up technology wasn't real.
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Seems also if a civilian that has no military background finds I was in the Air Force, they first question they ask is " were You a pilot ?" They are amazed when I tell them very few are, there are over 350 other occupations. When they find out a Military post or Base is like a city and has all the functions of a city, Police Fire, medical, public works functions, shopping, family housing etc and how large an area and how many square miles some bases cover they had no concept at all.
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LTC Michael Hrycak
I still try to describe Fort Hood, Texas, to civilians. There is a North Fort Hood, and West Fort Hood, and a gigantic tactical/training area that takes almost half an hour on a thru road to transit in a straight line. The main post itself is formidable enough, but the other parts are also fairly big.
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1LT William Clardy
Your comment reminds me of an urban sociology class I took back in a prior millennium. For one paper, I used military bases as examples. In addition to lots of notes in the margins, one of the professor's final comments was that analyzing military bases as cities would make a fascinating graduate thesis.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
1LT William Clardy - Seems also a lot of civilians have no concept that a Military base or post has all the functions of a city Police, Fire, Ambulance, schools, housing, Highway and road maintenance, shopping and the list goes on. The Base or Post Commander is kind of like a Mayor except He isn't elected but does oversee the day to day functions of that installation or should I say Military City ?
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LTC Michael Hrycak
I agree that studying military bases as cultural kingdoms would be interesting. I still believe that the Global War on Terrorism is unique in that you saw massive Reserve Component mobilizations, which engendered military families off-base being involved. Usually, those families were on military bases and civilians had little to no interaction with them. I remember calling my older son from Iraq, I had to get a Court Order since his mother had moved from New jersey to California while I was deployed, and I was late because we had gotten rocketed. The school staffer who answered complained at my tardiness. I explained that I was delayed because our base had been attacked. She finally relented and allowed me to speak with my eight year old son. I think a positive influence was that he was near Camp Pendelton, California, and I wasn't the only Servicemember who was deployed overseas.
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