"If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school, you cant bring your unvaccinated kid to school."
Aaaaand go!
Really look forward to MAJ (Join to see)'s thoughts based on his background.
Let me fill you in why: My Niece got the MMR and suddenly developed mild autism, my business partners Sister (who is a Nurse) had her son get the MMR and he is now full on Autistic.
My son in 8 months old and his MMR is due in 4 months and I am thinking like this: If I say yes and he is autistic afterwards, how can I ever live with myself? Seriously, with the emotional issues we already have as veterans, would this put me over the top?
I live in Hungary, the one country in the world with the most mandatory vaccines and funnily enough, the lowest rate of childhood sicknesses in Europe...so this gives me hope but I still am nervous, scared and downright terrified.
I find a constructive, informative conversation useful, my wife and I are really struggling. It helps none when someone quotes the Government as the source and calls someone stupid, ignorant or arrogant who does not heed the order...if this was the case then why the fight for the 2nd Amendment when Obama says he wants to repeal it, he is the Government and he orders it, you must do it according to most of those who posted here.
We cannot pick and choose what fits our belief and then use the very entity, which we despise for trying to change the 2nd Amendment, to validate our arguments, becasue then they are neither a part of a conversation or an argument, it is simply a demeaning statement.
I ask that anyone who respond please keep my beautiful son in mind, this is all I care about, no need to insult me or my thought process, it will get you nowhere.
Thank you,
Steven (and Max)
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I also have 3 children. All have been diagnosed with autism. Not one is like the other with symptoms.
As far as throwing out terms like igorance and the like: i believe some of us are sensative to the issue.
http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/
U.S. Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Cause Autism
Both these Italian court decisions break new ground in the roiling debate over vaccines and autism. These courts, like all courts, are intended to function as impartial, unbiased decision makers. The courts’ decisions are striking because they not only find a vaccine-autism causal link, but they also overrule the decisions of Italy’s Ministry of Health. And taken together, the court decisions found that both the MMR and a hexavalent...
A child with a suppressed immune system due to cancer or some other illness/condition cannot take the vaccine. Along comes a child whose parent didn't "want" to give their child the vaccine and now has measles/mumps/whatever, and causes the child who couldn't take the vaccine to get sick, and in some cases, die.
If my child couldn't take a vaccine and got sick and died because another parent didn't "want" to vaccinate their child, I'd be going to prison.
With that said, I agree with SPC McNeil's premise of responsibility, which I have mentioned many many times throughout dozens of other threads. Leaving the responsibility of our own lives on others is totally ridiculous. At the same time we must be respectful (I didn't say "like") of other's decisions or concerns. For example, if one has an allergy to peanuts then not only say something (civilly) but understand you have absolutely NO right in demanding others not be able to eat peanuts. On the other side, if someone states they have an allergy to peanuts then take caution if you wish to eat something with peanuts while around the person and also you have NO right to be callous with the lives of others. Yes, part of the problem is when this occurs in a school and children don't have the maturity (obviously) to NOT alienate or make fun of others. The key here is the adults being willing to LEARN, be respectful and to properly teach their children. It truly is that simple.
https://gma.yahoo.com/dads-heartfelt-plea-congress-2-old-leukemia-exposed-210618824--abc-news-health.html
SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA, PO2 Steven Erickson, SSG(P) (Join to see), Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS, TSgt Joshua Copeland, SSG Justin McCoy, PO2 William Allen Crowder, Cpl Jeff N., SFC John Gates, 1LT Sandy Annala, SFC (Join to see), SPC Charles Griffith, SrA Marc Haynes, MAJ Carl Ballinger, CSM (Join to see), SGT Jim Z., CW5 (Join to see), SSgt Alexander Ingram, MAJ Matthew Arnold, SPC James Mcneil, CPT Jack Durish, SGT Kristin Wiley, SGT Richard H., Cpl (Join to see).
Dad's Heartfelt Plea to Congress After 2-Year-Old With Leukemia Exposed to Measles
Dr. Timothy Jacks is an Arizona pediatrician on the front lines of the measles outbreak that's sweeping the United States, but when he spoke to Congress today, it was personal. He got a call from the hospital where his 2-year-old daughter Maggie just finished a round of chemotherapy telling him that Maggie and her 10-month-old brother Eli were exposed to measles, he told the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, which...
Those that quote the TTPs of the good ‘ol days might not realize that times are much different today than they were 20-30 years ago. Diseases, bacteria, and infections have greatly increased in strength. Drinking out of a water hose today is much more potentially lethal than it was in the 1980s.
I believe that Capt Jason Williams is correct, in the fact that if something is so far out in left field that it isn't even in the same state, let alone the same stadium, it does not deserve respect. It is just wrong. We as a society have gotten away from telling people that they are wrong, everyone's beliefs on any subject are now right. I believe that a big part of this is due to the fact that every kid growing up that is now under age 30-35 (yes I am in that age group) got a trophy for just being a part of the team their entire life. It is stupid. After age 8 or so, it should be about rewarding those that are good at something and showing others that you may want to do something else.
To bring all back around, because I have been rambling, this is the reason that I believe that Capt Williams is right in telling you "I don't have to respect their beliefs..."
I am personally pro-vaccine. But I am not going to tell a parent that's anti-vaccine that they have to do so because I believe in it.
You SPC Mcniel and others with the same opinion are what is driving parents who care for their children and the safety of other's children into school districts where people care about our children's safety.
You can keep you outdated yesteryear opinion, I'm just fine with mine.
That fact (assuming I'm correct) is yet another nail in the coffin of the premise of the image in the OP. Why? Because the parents of a child that is allergic would be ideally taking steps to make sure people know. The idea of a child not being able to take a food to work because people "might be" allergic is flawed on every level. In that case (and it is a rare case) with the teachers, classmates, parents of classmates, etc. knowing that there is an allergy, it would be the responsible thing for them to make the decision not to do so.
I'm all about advocating responsibility. I am not in favor of forcing it.
Now then, the CDC and UN have both admitted these vaccines are pretty much worthless. Sure, they may protect the kids for a few years but now they are admitting that you are not protected for life as if you had caught these 3 naturally. So who profits? The pharmaceutical companies. You don't.
Did you see the CDC's tap dancing on why vaccinated people were getting the measles this time around? Because other people were not vaccinated. No (actual quote here) "herd immunity". That's right. If everybody else around you isn't vaccinated, you can catch it even if you were vaccinated. Wow.
I don't know about autism but they are zapping kids with more diseases at the same time then they would be exposed to normally. Also the potential side effects are enormous and long. Whereas the downside of getting them naturally is almost nothing. Most deaths that happen due to measles are caused by dehydration.
The pharm companies are pulling the wool over your eyes. Just as they have tried to do with flu shots. It is crap.
Oh, and if people are getting the measles who were vaccinated this means it mutated and now there is a strain out there that nobody is immune to again. Thanks VAXXERS! You have unleashed a disease that can not be controlled.