Food Allergies vs Anti Vaxxers?

I find the language used here like "idiots", "Arrogant", "Ignorant" and so on, hard to stomach.

Let me fill you in why: My Niece got the MMR and suddenly developed mild autism, my business partners Sister (who is a Nurse) had her son get the MMR and he is now full on Autistic.

My son in 8 months old and his MMR is due in 4 months and I am thinking like this: If I say yes and he is autistic afterwards, how can I ever live with myself? Seriously, with the emotional issues we already have as veterans, would this put me over the top?

I live in Hungary, the one country in the world with the most mandatory vaccines and funnily enough, the lowest rate of childhood sicknesses in Europe...so this gives me hope but I still am nervous, scared and downright terrified.

I find a constructive, informative conversation useful, my wife and I are really struggling. It helps none when someone quotes the Government as the source and calls someone stupid, ignorant or arrogant who does not heed the order...if this was the case then why the fight for the 2nd Amendment when Obama says he wants to repeal it, he is the Government and he orders it, you must do it according to most of those who posted here.

We cannot pick and choose what fits our belief and then use the very entity, which we despise for trying to change the 2nd Amendment, to validate our arguments, becasue then they are neither a part of a conversation or an argument, it is simply a demeaning statement.

I ask that anyone who respond please keep my beautiful son in mind, this is all I care about, no need to insult me or my thought process, it will get you nowhere.

Thank you,
Steven (and Max)

SSG (Join to see) , TSgt Joshua Copeland , Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS ,
PO2 Steven Erickson

Getting sick is one thing, but some people are dying because parents didn't want to vaccinate their children, for whatever reason.

A child with a suppressed immune system due to cancer or some other illness/condition cannot take the vaccine. Along comes a child whose parent didn't "want" to give their child the vaccine and now has measles/mumps/whatever, and causes the child who couldn't take the vaccine to get sick, and in some cases, die.

If my child couldn't take a vaccine and got sick and died because another parent didn't "want" to vaccinate their child, I'd be going to prison.

I just read the below article earlier this morning and thought it would be something good to share here regarding this thread's subject.

With that said, I agree with SPC McNeil's premise of responsibility, which I have mentioned many many times throughout dozens of other threads. Leaving the responsibility of our own lives on others is totally ridiculous. At the same time we must be respectful (I didn't say "like") of other's decisions or concerns. For example, if one has an allergy to peanuts then not only say something (civilly) but understand you have absolutely NO right in demanding others not be able to eat peanuts. On the other side, if someone states they have an allergy to peanuts then take caution if you wish to eat something with peanuts while around the person and also you have NO right to be callous with the lives of others. Yes, part of the problem is when this occurs in a school and children don't have the maturity (obviously) to NOT alienate or make fun of others. The key here is the adults being willing to LEARN, be respectful and to properly teach their children. It truly is that simple.

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SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA, PO2 Steven Erickson, SSG(P) (Join to see), Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS, TSgt Joshua Copeland, SSG Justin McCoy, PO2 William Allen Crowder, Cpl Jeff N., SFC John Gates, 1LT Sandy Annala, SFC (Join to see), SPC Charles Griffith, SrA Marc Haynes, MAJ Carl Ballinger, CSM (Join to see), SGT Jim Z., CW5 (Join to see), SSgt Alexander Ingram, MAJ Matthew Arnold, SPC James Mcneil, CPT Jack Durish, SGT Kristin Wiley, SGT Richard H., Cpl (Join to see).

People tend to forget that science has already disproven the myth of the connection between vaccinations and the handful of blamed disorders. This is a done deal. There is little to no sciences backing up the claims. However, there is science that has disproven the claim. What more can be projected at this point?

Those that quote the TTPs of the good ‘ol days might not realize that times are much different today than they were 20-30 years ago. Diseases, bacteria, and infections have greatly increased in strength. Drinking out of a water hose today is much more potentially lethal than it was in the 1980s.

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly... We vaccinate our children to protect them from diseases and then worry about the diseases that a non-vaccinated child might expose them to? If we're so confident in the ability of these vaccines to protect our children, why would we worry about what someone else does with their child? Are these diseases going to somehow mutate in a non-vaccinated child to become super deadly to the vaccinated child? What am I missing?

The pro-vaccine vs. anti-vaccine debate is something I've largely steered clear of, and recently I waded into the waters of this debate. I found that people on both sides tend to be very rude and very arrogant. I've found that there are unsupported and completely unscientific arguments on both sides, and neither side has changed my mind.

I am personally pro-vaccine. But I am not going to tell a parent that's anti-vaccine that they have to do so because I believe in it.

I'd say that's a solid argument, TSgt Joshua Copeland. Of course the anti-vaccination crowd will disagree. I think they're wrong though.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one (or few). You are free to choose to not vaccinate. But, then you are not free to engage freely with the public and spread your da-zzz. If you choose not to vaccinate then keep you kids home and home school them, and home church them, and home, uh, everything.

DISCLAIMER : My kids were vaccinated BEFORE the idiocy of it all was known.

Now then, the CDC and UN have both admitted these vaccines are pretty much worthless. Sure, they may protect the kids for a few years but now they are admitting that you are not protected for life as if you had caught these 3 naturally. So who profits? The pharmaceutical companies. You don't.

Did you see the CDC's tap dancing on why vaccinated people were getting the measles this time around? Because other people were not vaccinated. No (actual quote here) "herd immunity". That's right. If everybody else around you isn't vaccinated, you can catch it even if you were vaccinated. Wow.

I don't know about autism but they are zapping kids with more diseases at the same time then they would be exposed to normally. Also the potential side effects are enormous and long. Whereas the downside of getting them naturally is almost nothing. Most deaths that happen due to measles are caused by dehydration.

The pharm companies are pulling the wool over your eyes. Just as they have tried to do with flu shots. It is crap.

Oh, and if people are getting the measles who were vaccinated this means it mutated and now there is a strain out there that nobody is immune to again. Thanks VAXXERS! You have unleashed a disease that can not be controlled.