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"If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school, you cant bring your unvaccinated kid to school."
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"If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school, you cant bring your unvaccinated kid to school."
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Really look forward to MAJ (Join to see)'s thoughts based on his background.
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I'm not going to argue for or against vaccines, they can be effective and beneficial, and for some they are harmful. Personally, I think it's suspicious that when a study comes out with some argumentative hole against vaccines in it the study is retracted. These retracted studies appear to be more common than not. Signs of autism do not normally appear (in vaccinated and unvaccinated children) until after these vaccines are given (if following the CDC recommended schedule). I personally don’t plan on getting my children any of these controversy shots until after they have reached the age where most autistic symptoms normally occur.
Similar too many of the ‘unproven’ claims that have somehow received compensation from the government, my little brother had a negative reaction to (one or the combination of) his early childhood vaccine series. After this reaction, we observed a notable decline in speech and social development. My friend’s father, a post-Vietnam veteran, is 100% disabled from a combination of vaccines during his service. I personally had a negative reaction to the smallpox or anthrax vaccine (received at the same time). In addition to my reaction, it is more than likely the chronic illness I have is related to this vaccination and/or environmental exposure in Iraq. Here’s some more interesting information, doctors don’t know what actually causes any of these medical problems. So how can they say that a vaccination could not be an environmental trigger? Insert the origin of the universe debate here for an example of the chaos that ensues when people use ‘factual evidence’ to argue something that no one has ever observed and therefore cannot know without a fraction of a doubt.
Here’s the harsh reality, you are responsible for your child’s health and safety, not me, not your neighbor, not the mailman, you! Shocking, I know. Since I know I’m responsible for my child, I will take precautions to protect them from children who are basically a walking disease, from vaccines that can cause medical conditions, from drowning or getting hit by a car. I’ll teach them how to swim, to not play in the road, to wear proper safety equipment. I’ll weigh the risks of all vaccines. I’ll keep them home from school when they are sick, because I’m conscience enough to not be the parent whose kid infects everyone else in the school. My child’s safety is not an inconvenience.
If you want to fight to keep unvaccinated kids out of schools go ahead, but be prepared to fight against smoking on public streets that can cause an asthmatic reaction in another kid. Fight the fast food industry for making your child obese. Fight the airlines that unwittingly allowed an Ebola-infected passenger on the plane. The world isn’t a safe place, we take risks every day. You vaccinate or don’t vaccinate your kid, it’s a choice and you accept the risks. Last I checked, this was America, we claim freedom and opportunity for all. So when someone else doesn’t make the same choice as you, what message are you sending when you advocate against their freedom to choose?
Italy has ruled that multiple vaccines have caused autism: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/
Another study argues that some children have a genetic predisposition for autism that is trigged through an environmental reaction (vaccines): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
CDC Scientist William Thompson's (2004 Study Retracted) says there is no 'casual' link, but admits the possibility that underlying biological illness (that the medical community is unwilling to test for prior to vaccination) could interact with vaccines to cause autism: http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-possibility-that-vaccines-rarely-trigger-autism/
Another 22 published studies show possible connections (haven't looked at all of them to see which are retracted) http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html
Similar too many of the ‘unproven’ claims that have somehow received compensation from the government, my little brother had a negative reaction to (one or the combination of) his early childhood vaccine series. After this reaction, we observed a notable decline in speech and social development. My friend’s father, a post-Vietnam veteran, is 100% disabled from a combination of vaccines during his service. I personally had a negative reaction to the smallpox or anthrax vaccine (received at the same time). In addition to my reaction, it is more than likely the chronic illness I have is related to this vaccination and/or environmental exposure in Iraq. Here’s some more interesting information, doctors don’t know what actually causes any of these medical problems. So how can they say that a vaccination could not be an environmental trigger? Insert the origin of the universe debate here for an example of the chaos that ensues when people use ‘factual evidence’ to argue something that no one has ever observed and therefore cannot know without a fraction of a doubt.
Here’s the harsh reality, you are responsible for your child’s health and safety, not me, not your neighbor, not the mailman, you! Shocking, I know. Since I know I’m responsible for my child, I will take precautions to protect them from children who are basically a walking disease, from vaccines that can cause medical conditions, from drowning or getting hit by a car. I’ll teach them how to swim, to not play in the road, to wear proper safety equipment. I’ll weigh the risks of all vaccines. I’ll keep them home from school when they are sick, because I’m conscience enough to not be the parent whose kid infects everyone else in the school. My child’s safety is not an inconvenience.
If you want to fight to keep unvaccinated kids out of schools go ahead, but be prepared to fight against smoking on public streets that can cause an asthmatic reaction in another kid. Fight the fast food industry for making your child obese. Fight the airlines that unwittingly allowed an Ebola-infected passenger on the plane. The world isn’t a safe place, we take risks every day. You vaccinate or don’t vaccinate your kid, it’s a choice and you accept the risks. Last I checked, this was America, we claim freedom and opportunity for all. So when someone else doesn’t make the same choice as you, what message are you sending when you advocate against their freedom to choose?
Italy has ruled that multiple vaccines have caused autism: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/
Another study argues that some children have a genetic predisposition for autism that is trigged through an environmental reaction (vaccines): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
CDC Scientist William Thompson's (2004 Study Retracted) says there is no 'casual' link, but admits the possibility that underlying biological illness (that the medical community is unwilling to test for prior to vaccination) could interact with vaccines to cause autism: http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-possibility-that-vaccines-rarely-trigger-autism/
Another 22 published studies show possible connections (haven't looked at all of them to see which are retracted) http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html
U.S. Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Cause Autism
Both these Italian court decisions break new ground in the roiling debate over vaccines and autism. These courts, like all courts, are intended to function as impartial, unbiased decision makers. The courts’ decisions are striking because they not only find a vaccine-autism causal link, but they also overrule the decisions of Italy’s Ministry of Health. And taken together, the court decisions found that both the MMR and a hexavalent...
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
SGT Kristin Wiley Sorry I didn't see your post earlier.
With regards to the Italian Court Case. Please take a look at this article from Forbes.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/08/09/court-rulings-dont-confirm-autism-vaccine-link/
With regards to the Italian Court Case. Please take a look at this article from Forbes.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/08/09/court-rulings-dont-confirm-autism-vaccine-link/
Court Rulings Don't Confirm Autism-Vaccine Link
Even if for obscure reasons you want to rely only on court rulings, what we have here is a ruling against cause in three cases versus a ruling for cause in one case. That's a 3:1 win for
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I'm not sure I want to base my medical decisions on what a panel of foreign judges thinks. I'm more likely to go with, say, solid medical evidence, with actual scientific research, from people who are experts in the field...not on what a group of people with limited expertise in this field have said based on the arguments from some other people with limited expertise in the field.
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Where did I say that I made any decision based on the Italy ruling? I am just sharing information, but please go ahead and make a decision based off one of the thousand retracted studies out there on vaccines that MUST be more accurate.
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One is something someone cannot control the other is an idiot or the child of an idiot
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Vaccination is 400 x healthier than school lunches. (Source for statistics - observation)
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Alright. We can talk until we're blue in the face about why these people are wrong. What are the pro's of their argument? Do they have any?
1) They are actively attempting to research things that will affect their child's long term health (at the expense of everyone else's).
2) Vaccines are produced by corporations which are profit oriented, and it can be said they don't have our best interests at heart. However, I'll happily pay lots of money not to get get diseases that cause things like blindness, death, paralysis, etc.
3) Yes, there are potential side effects (no Autism is not one of them). However, the side effects are often significantly "better" than having the disease. If given the choice between Autism and long term effects of Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Whooping Cough, Shingles/Chicken Pox, Pneumonia, JEV, etc, which would you choose?
Help me out? I can't think of any more off the top of my head.
1) They are actively attempting to research things that will affect their child's long term health (at the expense of everyone else's).
2) Vaccines are produced by corporations which are profit oriented, and it can be said they don't have our best interests at heart. However, I'll happily pay lots of money not to get get diseases that cause things like blindness, death, paralysis, etc.
3) Yes, there are potential side effects (no Autism is not one of them). However, the side effects are often significantly "better" than having the disease. If given the choice between Autism and long term effects of Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Whooping Cough, Shingles/Chicken Pox, Pneumonia, JEV, etc, which would you choose?
Help me out? I can't think of any more off the top of my head.
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Of course, those corporations have more to gain by selling a product that works than one that kills people. Repeat business and all that.
Clearly, they aren't researching things that will affect their children's health...because measles and polio are much more dangerous than getting the vaccines.
Clearly, they aren't researching things that will affect their children's health...because measles and polio are much more dangerous than getting the vaccines.
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Every time I have enrolled one of my children in school, we had to produce shot records to confirm they had been vaccinated against the usual battery. I know that there are waivers, but have school districts become so fearful of being sued that they place the uninformed opinion of parents at a premium above the health and welfare of the student population?
Good God, we have become a nation of fools and cowards.
The "vaccines cause autism (etc)" crowd is currently real quiet at diseases that were rarely seen when I was a kid - aside from Chicken Pox, that is -are suddenly running amok around the country. Diseases that kill people. Mumps is a drag. Chicken Pox, an inconvenience. Rubella can and does kill, as does measles albeit more rarely.
The paralell from my childhood was the flouride treatments we got. Some parents would opt out because flouride was "dangerous", even though it had been added to drinking water for many years. In my class there were two kids who didn't take the weekly rinse of flouride mouthwash stuff. As with any schoolroom, when one kid is different, they get picked on, completely unfairly. And for what? So mommy can feel better because she read on the internet a conspiracy theory that Mercury in thermometers or arsenic in treated wood or (blah, blah) was a danger to the kids, so we MUST keep them safe. Watch your kid get quarentined with the measels and we will see where your principled stand got you.
Good God, we have become a nation of fools and cowards.
The "vaccines cause autism (etc)" crowd is currently real quiet at diseases that were rarely seen when I was a kid - aside from Chicken Pox, that is -are suddenly running amok around the country. Diseases that kill people. Mumps is a drag. Chicken Pox, an inconvenience. Rubella can and does kill, as does measles albeit more rarely.
The paralell from my childhood was the flouride treatments we got. Some parents would opt out because flouride was "dangerous", even though it had been added to drinking water for many years. In my class there were two kids who didn't take the weekly rinse of flouride mouthwash stuff. As with any schoolroom, when one kid is different, they get picked on, completely unfairly. And for what? So mommy can feel better because she read on the internet a conspiracy theory that Mercury in thermometers or arsenic in treated wood or (blah, blah) was a danger to the kids, so we MUST keep them safe. Watch your kid get quarentined with the measels and we will see where your principled stand got you.
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1SG (Join to see) During my initial dental exam when arriving at my first duty station, the Naval Dentist asked me what part of the panhandle of TX I was from. He diagnosed my place of birth due to dental fluorosis which only occurs when younger children consume too much fluoride, from any source.
When government (federal, state, or local) begins mandating things before long term studies can be properly vetted, there will always be unintended consequences.
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/dental_fluorosis.htm
When government (federal, state, or local) begins mandating things before long term studies can be properly vetted, there will always be unintended consequences.
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/dental_fluorosis.htm
CDC - Dental Fluorosis - Safety - Community Water Fluoridation - Oral Health
The proper amount of fluoride helps prevent and control tooth decay in children and adults. Fluoride works both while the teeth are developing and every day after the teeth have emerged through the gums. Fluoride consumed during tooth development can also result in a range of visible changes to the enamel surface of the tooth. These changes have been broadly termed dental fluorosis, or dental fluorosis.
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I can't edit my posts on my phone, but in addition to my other post I am allergic to peanuts and found it deplorable when they started getting banned in schools. Unless a child has a severe allergy that the doctor communicates with the school I see no reason to restrict other people's lunchboxs.
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People don't vaccinate for the same reason they magically don't eat gluten. It is a fad. One however is far more dangerous then the other. People want to refuse to see science on a black and white issue. Don't try and change anyone's minds, it doesn't work. Just boycott the people who won't vaccinate the kids and bring our communities under the threshold for herd immunity. Another one of the thousands of reasons my kids will be homeschooled. Other parents are downright dangerous.
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I don't care what others do. Everybody sees the world how they choose. All I care about is trying to raise MY family the best I can. A little background: my father was physically abusive to my siblings and me. I never understood how someone could be like that. After about 10 years of adulthood, I decided to forgive him. When I did, he broke down and apologized for treating us that way. What he said next has stuck with me the rest of my adult life: I tried my best. His best sucked. His best was not popular amongst most. But it was his best. We had a pretty good relationship until he died from that point on.
I will always try my best to make good calls and moves for the sake of my children. Will it always be "the best" for them? No, but I will still try to do the best for them.
I don't know what is best for them on this topic, but my wife seems to think she does. So I trust my partner for life's opinion. She got them vaccinated, and they seem like normal crazy kids.
Good luck at trying to do the best for your kids, and try to understand that that is what most people are trying to do( even if their best sucks).
I will always try my best to make good calls and moves for the sake of my children. Will it always be "the best" for them? No, but I will still try to do the best for them.
I don't know what is best for them on this topic, but my wife seems to think she does. So I trust my partner for life's opinion. She got them vaccinated, and they seem like normal crazy kids.
Good luck at trying to do the best for your kids, and try to understand that that is what most people are trying to do( even if their best sucks).
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Great Meme and Point Well Made. Hell we all had to get all those in my time and if that wasn't enough the military made sure I covered for that and much more. I got that Yellow Fever Shot 7 Times and the worst reaction I ever had to any was the Swine Flu shot in 76, The Company in Boot Camp was down for the count for 24 hours, No Nig Deal just fever and got us out of PT for a bit.
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