Posted on May 4, 2015
SGT Larss Ogren
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SSgt Michael Orcutt
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Started school a week after seperating. Put in work on my resume. Landed a GS ladder position within DOD 3 months after I seperated.

I tell people that my experience after getting out is not the norm for many veterans. I know many veterans to this day that work two jobs and still struggle after leaving the service. I try and help them with filing disability claims, resumes and building a USAjobs profile.
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Sgt Budget Analyst
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When I was looking for a job and I went on my first interview, I was told I was over qualified. On another job, I stayed late to clean out my inbox and I got fussed at for being dedicated. Team work is a BIG FAT JOKE. There are no wingmen, you're pretty much on your own.
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PO2 Tonya Robinson
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I did not receive any exit counseling when I left active duty. I had to do a lot of research work on my own and with many other professionals. In my first year I really didn't experience many problems. A few years later is where I needed our veterans affairs services. I know the exit counseling and screenings are really detailed now.
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So they don't have TAPS anymore? Back in the day, it was within your best interest to sign up for this class as soon as you knew you were separating/retiring.
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TSgt Steve Waide
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Sgt (Join to see) - TAP is now a DoD/Congressional mandated course. You are not able to separate the service without having it. It is now called Transition GPS. I have taken once about a year ago when I was first eligible and I am scheduled to take it again next month. It is a ton of information fed to you through the fire hose method. This is the reason that I am attending again.
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For transitioning Veterans, new and old, summarize your experience from leaving active service throughout the first year of civilian life.
SSG Trevor S.
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This whole civilian thing is kinda wacky. You have to get past the new language, new set of priorities, and the new set of values. We did a similar transition before, but we were assisted by nice men and women in Smokey The Bear type hats that spoke loud enough to ensure they were heard in a crowd and took your best interests to heart. Civilians don't seem to have that type of transition assistance.
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PO1 John Miller
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The first year was definitely the roughest. Most of my coworkers were prior military themselves (I was working for a government contractor) but had been out for a while. While the work ethic was there, there was a lack of team work and camaraderie. I was labeled as being argumentative and making people nervous because I would argue my point when I believed I was right. I also found that people were for a lack of a better term spineless and acted like bitches. If someone had a problem with me they would go to my supervisor instead of me.

That was another thing. My supervisor had a personal problem with me (in my opinion). Whenever he would get a complaint about me he would reprimand me, making it a one-sided conversation and not listening to my side of the story.

Quick(ish) example: a coworker's wife called the shop one day and I answered the phone. He had just stepped out to go work on something, so I told his wife he had just stepped out. i asked if she would like to leave a message or have me page him. She opted to leave a message. The guy came back later and I told him his wife called. 30 minutes later my supervisor is pulling me in his office saying something like "Paul and his wife are having problems. When you say that he's not in the office she thinks he's out playboy'ing around. NEVER tell her he's not in the shop!" I tried to ask what the heck I was supposed to do but he wouldn't let me speak.

Then there was the government employee who was going through my supply cabinet looking for something. I approached him and asked what he needed. He told me and I found the item and gave it to him. That little bitch went to my supervisor and said I had been trying to intimidate him.

Needless to say, I don't work there anymore. I have learned to lighten up a little but luckily I haven't worked with people like that since. Every job I've had since then, if someone has a problem with me or I with them, we go directly to each other and not to supervisors. We all believe in dealing with problems at the lowest level possible.
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COL Charles Williams
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Scary and Exciting...

Smooth, because I prepared ahead of time.

Odd, because after 33 years, all I knew was being a Soldier.

Not so bad, as I kinda sorta am still affiliated with the Army.

Fast, as I left the Army, and went to work almost immediately.

I also remember, initially, I thought (in my new job/second career) I made a really bad choice... But, soon I realized I had the best job ever - aside from being a Soldier.
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SSG Dwight Amey MSA, MSL, BS, AS
SSG Dwight Amey MSA, MSL, BS, AS
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COL Charles Williams, I just completed my first year of civilian life in 2014. I thought leaving the military was going to be stress free and I would spend all my time doing what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. Well in summary. Not so much.
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SGT James Elphick
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The first year wasn't as bad as the second. By the second year I was completely lost and just trying to hold it together. There weren't the same resources as now though, and back in 05-06 there were far less veterans too. Trying to go to school on the MGIB was impossible so that wasn't helping. During that first year though I really just had to figure out what kind of veteran I wanted to be.
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SGT Larss Ogren
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Excellent point Sgt, I had not thought of defining my Veteran personna post-military but now that I look back, I can see how essential doing so is to the transitioning process.

I completed a study some years ago, specifically for Marines, trying to identify a time line of the transitioning process and found often enough it takes a minimum of 2 years to fully re-integrate into civilian life; despite some residual adversities remaining such as PTSD and of course more physical traumas in certain situations.

I found most interesting from this study that the year mark proved more aggressive than any other point in the transitioning process; specifically there were more reported cases of violence.

Looking back in your own transition, had you noticed increased aggression around your year separation mark?
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SGT James Elphick
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I think so, somewhere in the 12-18 month time frame probably. I also was increasingly agitated with life in general as a civilian and was getting fed up with civilians. That was when I decided that I would be the veteran that informed civilians for everyone else. Start telling people what was going on with our generation and what appropriate actions are so hopefully less people would have to go through what I did after getting out. Now I'm the veteran who helps other veterans.
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I left after 14+ years. but, in reality my first civilian job and my last military one were somewhat comparable. So the transition was not that bad.
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SGT Larss Ogren
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What year did you separate Captain?
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Possibly before you were born. May 1975
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SGT Larss Ogren
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Yes Sir, 6 years before, in fact! What services were available to you both within the military, and after your exit, for successful transitioning if any?
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I really don't remember any services. In those days we were on our own. There were employment agencies. On the Air Force side all I remember was the routine e.g. moving me etc.
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