Posted on Jun 18, 2017
Given that at least 75 people were violently killed in 2016 on church/faith-based property in the U.S., should churches have security teams?
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Unfortunately people need to be on their toes when something premeditated comes along , I dont like it but you have to hit them Head On !!!!
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Some do some have formal programs and others have well a lot of gun carrying members.
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I believe they are necessary. I have been a member of an armed security team at my Church. It is a volunteer position with training requirements as it is an armed security team. Interview process and demonstration of proficiency and approval from Church Elder board upon recommendation from security team leadership.
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It rests soley on the congregation if they would need to hire a security team or have some of their fellow congregants trained and armed. Also did you know in the book of Nehemiah when the Hebrews were rebuilding the wall around Jerusalem, they were being hindered by their enemies. So Nehemiah had a solution as a god-fearing man he told the people to have a sword in-case of an attack by the enemy while re-building the wall. The original combat-seabees. God does not condemn his people for having a weapon. It is a tool that can be used for good or evil. Like David say's in the book of psalms Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war.
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They should not have to have them, but, the church my family and I attend has Security through out the congregation. I also have a close friend that has recently started a Security Risk business, targeting churches and businesses, consulting with them regarding hardening their sites. Of course he focuses on other areas such as emergency medical response, as well. All said, I believe anywhere there is going to be a large gathering of Christians, Conservatives, LGBT (not the radicals) or Americans, there should be some sort of security consideration. ANTIFA, BLM and Radical Muslims have shown they do not respect life and will do anything to further their agendas.
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Unfortunately, this is a real threat and not fake news. Two first hand examples:
1.) My fathers church in Tenn. A man walked in right up tot he preacher during the sermon and threatened him because of the marriage counseling he was providing him and his wife. He said the preacher told his wife some things that he didn't and was ready to kick the preachers nose up on his forehead. He was gang tackled and carried out in handcuffs. My fathers church established a security team after that. They lock all entry doors so outside entry can't be made but emergency they can get out after the service starts with the exception of the main sanctuary doors and place security personnel throughout the congregation in the event of an incident for rapid response.
2.) My church...three years ago on Fathers day a man entered during service and approached the pastor with his son carrying a backpack threatening him. We have a lot of active military in our church and that got the hairs raised up on our heads. Our pastor had never seen him. He was tackled and escorted outside with the backpack and eventually carried off by police but the pastor and congregation were so rattled the pastor just prayed and sent everyone home. Since then we have hired an armed security guard but there are other members of the security team that walk the premises during a service just for safety.
A church should be a place of refuge and safety. However, in todays climate there are no such places. Evil will lurk in anywhere and taking care of business favors the prepared. Unfortunately that is where we are. I will not hesitate to shoot someone in a church if they are threatening and shooting at my wife, daughter, or anyone else. I will pray for a precise aim and God's guidance to keep everyone safe. I HOPE IT NEVER COMES TO THAT!!!
1.) My fathers church in Tenn. A man walked in right up tot he preacher during the sermon and threatened him because of the marriage counseling he was providing him and his wife. He said the preacher told his wife some things that he didn't and was ready to kick the preachers nose up on his forehead. He was gang tackled and carried out in handcuffs. My fathers church established a security team after that. They lock all entry doors so outside entry can't be made but emergency they can get out after the service starts with the exception of the main sanctuary doors and place security personnel throughout the congregation in the event of an incident for rapid response.
2.) My church...three years ago on Fathers day a man entered during service and approached the pastor with his son carrying a backpack threatening him. We have a lot of active military in our church and that got the hairs raised up on our heads. Our pastor had never seen him. He was tackled and escorted outside with the backpack and eventually carried off by police but the pastor and congregation were so rattled the pastor just prayed and sent everyone home. Since then we have hired an armed security guard but there are other members of the security team that walk the premises during a service just for safety.
A church should be a place of refuge and safety. However, in todays climate there are no such places. Evil will lurk in anywhere and taking care of business favors the prepared. Unfortunately that is where we are. I will not hesitate to shoot someone in a church if they are threatening and shooting at my wife, daughter, or anyone else. I will pray for a precise aim and God's guidance to keep everyone safe. I HOPE IT NEVER COMES TO THAT!!!
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
Sgt Steven Thomas - Don't know...nobody respects anyone else. There is no tolerance these days. The new mentality is that I believe what I believe and you are wrong mentality and you must be proven wrong even if it means violence or death. I believe we have totally lost the art of communication. No one knows how to talk anymore..it is about instant news (right or wrong or fake) and reactions to it. No one can present their argument in a decent and polite way. I can present my side and if you don't agree, that is fine...that is what America is all about. These days it is all about respect...I got disrespected that is why I shot/hit/beatup/chased/threatened someone...that kind of talk gives me the squirts. Everyone is about free speech until someone elses free speech goes against what they believe. People don't know how to agree to disagree and drink a beer and move on. I have very dear friends of mine that we could not be more apart on the political spectrum but we have good spirited debates and move on because we respect each others opinions. May not agree but we respect it.
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Well IMHO each church should determine on its own or IAW its hierarchy whether or not special security measures including security teams should be set up SSG William Jones.
Risk: Security teams can dissuade potential visitors if they are too obvious or blatantly frisk people coming to the church service.
FYI, when I mentioned security teams above I was pointing out the dangers of security teams who are aggressive.
By God's grace I have spoken with violent gang members and other potentially dangerous people when God guided me to talk with them and take them out of the sanctuary area.
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Risk: Security teams can dissuade potential visitors if they are too obvious or blatantly frisk people coming to the church service.
FYI, when I mentioned security teams above I was pointing out the dangers of security teams who are aggressive.
By God's grace I have spoken with violent gang members and other potentially dangerous people when God guided me to talk with them and take them out of the sanctuary area.
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. Maj William W. 'Bill' Price Capt Christopher Mueller Capt Seid Waddell CW5 (Join to see) SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSgt (Join to see) SP5 Mark Kuzinski SGT John " Mac " McConnell SGT Robert George SP5 Robert Ruck SCPO Morris RamseyCPL Eric Escasio SPC (Join to see) SrA Christopher Wright SPC Margaret Higgins
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SGT Robert George
Sgt Steven Thomas - One of our police got stabbed in the neck at the Airport today by some imbecile !!!
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SSG William Jones - I don't know much about churches - but I know armed security -- often the most visibly provided by uniformed police officers -- is a necessity for Jewish temples to prevent incidents during the high holy holidays - and during periods when threats have been made. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
Security teams? I'd bet the odds of being killed on church/faith-based property wouldn't justify the cost of hiring a security team. Maybe the costs can come from the ever growing building fund, seeing how the building never actually gets improved.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSG William Jones - That's outstanding foresight on the part of your church! What church is that and where is it located, if I might ask?
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SSG William Jones
Are you planning on testing us??? JUST KIDDING!!! Elkton Baptist Church - 42220
Seriously, I do think that if some stranger announced other than honorable intentions upon entering the sanctuary, he (she) would immediately hear "slides racking and hammers cocking"!!!
SSgt Christopher Brose
Seriously, I do think that if some stranger announced other than honorable intentions upon entering the sanctuary, he (she) would immediately hear "slides racking and hammers cocking"!!!
SSgt Christopher Brose
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSG William Jones - The only testing I would be doing is checking what the pastor says against the Word to see if they match up. As a retired Marine range coach (among other things) who owned the pistol record in two units I was in, and as a current CCL holder, I'd feel right at home hearing those sounds.
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SGT James Colwell
The security team I was on was composed of the same types of people SSgt Christopher Brose. We were all armed and we had a member who also taught us unarmed combat techniques including pressure point techniques. Our Church did not allow just anybody to carry on Church grounds. They had to have permission from the leadership of the Church. This allowed the security team to know who was carrying in case the fur started flying. It makes it easier to identify good guys from bad guys.
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