Posted on Aug 21, 2015
Group is gunning for small town's veteran memorial cross. Why did this person make a complaint? So tired of this PC BS.
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Two statements stood out to me in this story:
“When we are bending to the will of one person in the town -- you know something is wrong there.”
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"Meanwhile, I think Americans United should answer Mr. Goff’s question. Will they demand that Arlington Cemetery remove their crosses? It’s doubtful Americans United would pull a stunt like that. I think they just like to bully small towns in the Heartland."
'Nuff said.
“When we are bending to the will of one person in the town -- you know something is wrong there.”
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"Meanwhile, I think Americans United should answer Mr. Goff’s question. Will they demand that Arlington Cemetery remove their crosses? It’s doubtful Americans United would pull a stunt like that. I think they just like to bully small towns in the Heartland."
'Nuff said.
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SN Greg Wright
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - My appreciation was genuine, Sargent. I am (was) rather embarrassed that I didn't know that. The picture was indeed helpful -- should have thought to look before I opened my mouth in the original post, heh.
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CW4 Guy Butler
The simple fix would be to replace the cross with a National Cemetary style headstone.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MAJ Bryan Zeski - This same organization tried to get another memorial removed that had both the cross and the Jewish star of David. If this one person who complained wants to represent what ever he believes then he should commission his own statue of symbol...the cross represents Christians of many religious factions.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
Sgt Kelli Mays You are correct. The cross represents many Christian factions. But, it only represents Christian factions - it doesn't represent Judiasm, Islam, or any of the other multitude of faiths. A government sponsored and funded memorial should not cater to only one religious faith to the exclusion of others. If this were an individual who commissioned and paid for a memorial representing their own faith, there wouldn't be an issue - the issue is a government organization favoring one faith over another. And that isn't PC BS - it's just wrong.
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I'd think the mayor of Knoxville, IA could simply sell this small plot of land to a local for a nominal fee. Thus, making the 2' x 2' plot of land "private property" --and subsequently void of any further conflict about putting religious icons on public land. Meanwhile, I am face-palming.
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I'm curious as to what the comments would be if a small town created a similar memorial on government property with government money that had a Soldier prone towards Mecca with a star and crescent overhead... would we think that was a memorial to Soldiers of all faiths, or just to Muslim ones? I suspect that THAT memorial would be vandalized within days - probably by "Patriotic Veterans".
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
And THAT is the problem. We're very quick to defend the majority beliefs in all things, but not so quick to defend the belief of all of our servicemembers - which is why this group takes these issues in hand.
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As a non-Christian, I am beyond tired of seeing "Christians" complain every time someone says "Hang on a minute" when it comes to religious symbols on government property.
That said, I read the article. I looked at the picture of the memorial. I don't see a grave stone, I see a cross - a Christian symbol. If it was erected on government property with government money, it is wrong. Further, if it were depicting ANY other religion, the memorial likely wouldn't last a day (especially if the soldier were to be depicted as Muslim - that one probably wouldn't make it to display). There are plenty of other ways to depict a grave marker that doesn't use a cross. Why didn't they use one of them? Heck, why didn't they write KIA across it to remove any ambiguity?
EDIT: Topic was merged as I posted. Cut out the no-longer-relevant bit.
That said, I read the article. I looked at the picture of the memorial. I don't see a grave stone, I see a cross - a Christian symbol. If it was erected on government property with government money, it is wrong. Further, if it were depicting ANY other religion, the memorial likely wouldn't last a day (especially if the soldier were to be depicted as Muslim - that one probably wouldn't make it to display). There are plenty of other ways to depict a grave marker that doesn't use a cross. Why didn't they use one of them? Heck, why didn't they write KIA across it to remove any ambiguity?
EDIT: Topic was merged as I posted. Cut out the no-longer-relevant bit.
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There's an interesting correlation here if you look for it. Once upon a time the Christian (Catholic) church fought against the translation of the bible into the vernacular. Same with the liturgy. The reason was simple. It forced the congregation to depend upon the clergy to interpret it for them. It seems that lawyers want to do the same with the Constitution. Although it was written in plain language that any rube (like you and I can understand), the lawyers have twisted its meaning with linguistic legerdemain so that we should depend on them to interpret it for us. Sadly, we've allowed them to get away with it. Thus we now have "the right to privacy". The establishment clause has been mutated into a form of religious prohibition. The Commerce Clause has been misapplied to excuse increasingly intrusive regulation of every aspect of our lives. Now that a significant number of the members of Congress are lawyers, we are besieged with legislation that only a lawyer can understand. (Well, actually they can't. To be more accurate, modern legislation is designed with enough clauses, ifs, and/ors, buts, etc that lawyers are guaranteed employment unraveling the messes caused by it. So, rather than complaining about the complaints, we'd be better served voting out the lawyers, replacing the judges (and justices), and starting over. No, we don't need a new Constitution. We simply need to rebuild the nation as a truer reflection of its vision...
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SGT (Join to see)
Right spot on CPT Jack Durish. We're all in this together. I wish some of the voters realized that and stoped thinking about just themselves. Our forefathers probably spin their graves every day. They kicked a lot of butt, and lost a lot of lives, to get our nation to where it was, and I'm sorry to disappoint their efforts.
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Talk about ignorance of these complainers, what really sucks is that many died to give them the freedom of speech to make their complaints!
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SGT (Join to see)
And another thing that sucks is the wrong message is being sent to our children. They won't give a damn about our Constitution, or our bloodshed for their rights. They think they are enabled to everything else anyway, CSM Michael J. Uhlig.
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Some people just really can't stand for others to have something special.
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