Posted on Sep 10, 2014
Guardsman & Reservists - Best and worst practices by civilian employers when you returned to your job
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I would love to hear from Guradsmen and Reservists about the best and/or worst things your civilian employer did to ensure your success (or failure) upon your return to the workforce after an OEF/OIF deployment.
I am not asking about whether your employer took you out to lunch on your first day back. No, I am wondering whether your employer had a plan for your reintegration upon your return. Did they have a plan for retraining? Did they provide opportunities for professional development? Did they look to capitalize on your personal and professional growth during your deployment? Did they set conditions for your success? Or did they just assume that nothing had changed during your deployment and assume you could simply pick things up where you left off before you deployed?
Any and all comments would be welcome, as it appears companies' practices vary widely on this. Thanks in advance!!
I am not asking about whether your employer took you out to lunch on your first day back. No, I am wondering whether your employer had a plan for your reintegration upon your return. Did they have a plan for retraining? Did they provide opportunities for professional development? Did they look to capitalize on your personal and professional growth during your deployment? Did they set conditions for your success? Or did they just assume that nothing had changed during your deployment and assume you could simply pick things up where you left off before you deployed?
Any and all comments would be welcome, as it appears companies' practices vary widely on this. Thanks in advance!!
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 6
Great post Sir. I attended an eye opening ESGR signing at the Farmers Insurance HQ in Southern California a few months back. I was really blown away by the stories told there by the previously deployed Guard and Reservist who retuned home and were treated with the highest respect and admiration from all levels of the company. They were given a tremendous amount of support to reintegrate back into the company and also advance their career. I know Lucas Buck, SMSgt Al Schilling, and WO1 (Join to see) can attest that the 'Farmers Family' really has taken care of their own and I'm sure they can link you to some of the specific examples of the support they typically give out to deployed members. I look forward to seeing some of the 'best & worst practices' other RP members have seen at other employers. This can be a great learning opportunity for the community.
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COL (Join to see)
Brandon & Lucas - Thanks so much for your responses. I think the key is the support for reintegrating the returning servicemember back into the company and advance their career. I returned from Afghanistan six months ago and recently took a straw poll of my National Guard unit. I was fortunate enough to be in a unit with many high-performing individuals, and almost all were disappointed in how their company reintegrated them. I see that not only as a loss for the individual but also a loss for the company. Why wouldn't these companies want to benefit from the tremendous personal growth many of us experience during deployments?
Do you know whether Farmers has a formal policy for reintegrating returning servicemembers, or is it simply based on the kindness and character of the company's leadership?
Do you know whether Farmers has a formal policy for reintegrating returning servicemembers, or is it simply based on the kindness and character of the company's leadership?
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MAJ Rod Harden
Happy to. I departed the Active Army following the Gulf War having served as a Tank Platoon Leader in the 1st ID. Was not sure what I wanted to do as a civilian and then I found Farmers Insurance. I knew right away that I wanted to be a part of this organization as my values and ethics from the service aligned with the corporate culture at Farmers (integrity, courage, honesty, selfless service, etc.). Fourteen years later while a Manager at Farmers, I was called to service as a Reservist to OIF/OEF and was deployed to Iraq. Farmers was there for me and my family all the way. My colleagues sent care packages, kept me posted via email on things at work and generally let me know that I was thought of while so far away from home. I came back from deployment and Farmers welcomed me with open arms and got me right back in the fray. It is now year 23 working for Farmers and I am still as passionate about this company and its mission to help others in their time of need as I was when I first started.
"While I am a Farmers employee, my posts are my own and are not statements by or for Farmers"
"While I am a Farmers employee, my posts are my own and are not statements by or for Farmers"
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
MAJ Rod Harden -- thanks for sharing your story...I enjoyed reading it. Sometimes just knowing you are thought of and appreciated can mean the world. "Big Red 1!"
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COL (Join to see) I can speak directly to this as a Guardsman who has deployed on several occasions.
My old boss (former Ranger), in meetings with our entire group would question whether I was doing my current job, or going to be off playing F@CKING Marine, or Air Force or whatever the F@CK. Unbelievable. Especially coming from a veteran.
My new bosses (2001-present) have been exceptionally supportive (one of the two current is a veteran). They have been accommodating, supportive, are in a sense, everything that you would want from an employer. In fact, I was promoted on civilian job, while deployed (did not think that would happen).
It is amazing the difference that support from employers and fellow employees makes (about 2/3 of my fellow employees are vets). When you have support, it makes it so much easier to answer the call.
Upon return from deployments, they helped ensure that everything was done to rectify the endless paperwork that comes along with Government Service.
I cannot say enough good things about how I have been treated by the "current" office, and will forever remember how poorly I was treated by the former.
AND, Loyalty begets Loyalty.
My old boss (former Ranger), in meetings with our entire group would question whether I was doing my current job, or going to be off playing F@CKING Marine, or Air Force or whatever the F@CK. Unbelievable. Especially coming from a veteran.
My new bosses (2001-present) have been exceptionally supportive (one of the two current is a veteran). They have been accommodating, supportive, are in a sense, everything that you would want from an employer. In fact, I was promoted on civilian job, while deployed (did not think that would happen).
It is amazing the difference that support from employers and fellow employees makes (about 2/3 of my fellow employees are vets). When you have support, it makes it so much easier to answer the call.
Upon return from deployments, they helped ensure that everything was done to rectify the endless paperwork that comes along with Government Service.
I cannot say enough good things about how I have been treated by the "current" office, and will forever remember how poorly I was treated by the former.
AND, Loyalty begets Loyalty.
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I worked for a certain big box retailer prior to my last deployment. It wasn't anything concerning the deployment that I had issues with though. It was prior to the deployment.
I had started working there in June and in August I returned to the NG. I had to go to Ft.Eustis for 16 weeks to reclass. Prior to school I was working 37-40 hours/week. After I returned I was only working 20-25 if I was lucky. They hadn't hired anyone new. The faces were all the same. They just gave the 12-20 hrs/week to everyone else.
I had started working there in June and in August I returned to the NG. I had to go to Ft.Eustis for 16 weeks to reclass. Prior to school I was working 37-40 hours/week. After I returned I was only working 20-25 if I was lucky. They hadn't hired anyone new. The faces were all the same. They just gave the 12-20 hrs/week to everyone else.
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They said "welcome back, are you sure you don't want more time off? (I was allowed something like 90 days 'adjustment' time, was back before I'd actually taken all my accrued leave, let alone adjustment time.) Ok great, glad to have you back, As you know - your boss left in your absence- Dude is your new boss, Dudette who was covering for you in your absence is moving into a perm position, she can bring you up to date on any changes. Great to have you back & let us know if you need anything." Or words to that effect.
Not making a big deal of it, or treating me in any way different was the exact right way to go and I appreciated it very much. It is also very worth noting that I was contacted either by my then-boss or my coworkers at least every month with a "catch-up" email while deployed. It was very clearly scheduled - the 2nd tuesday of every month, if I recall correctly. Also I was in at least weekly contract with a friend who was (and is still) a coworker.
For the first 3-4 months I had a steady stream of coworkers coming by wanting to either thank me for having gone, ask me about it, or trying to probe my politics to see if I was interested in joining their protest effort (but even these ones were pleasant to me).
I just told my boss that I'm going to go on a mob with VERY little notice just this week and his response was [pause for breath] "Ok, we'll have to check with HR on what we need to do. Do you have a list of tasks you have to off-load? What are your thoughts on your staff? Do you have anyone you think could step in?" At which point I handed him my draft decision-paper on succession and we were back into normal discussions.
For me, the matter of fact approach is the best. It *IS* one of the reasons I haven't left this employer in the 10 years since my last mob. I wasn't injured and didn't have any PTSD-type issues, so the fact that it is "normal" was the best for my adjustment.
Not making a big deal of it, or treating me in any way different was the exact right way to go and I appreciated it very much. It is also very worth noting that I was contacted either by my then-boss or my coworkers at least every month with a "catch-up" email while deployed. It was very clearly scheduled - the 2nd tuesday of every month, if I recall correctly. Also I was in at least weekly contract with a friend who was (and is still) a coworker.
For the first 3-4 months I had a steady stream of coworkers coming by wanting to either thank me for having gone, ask me about it, or trying to probe my politics to see if I was interested in joining their protest effort (but even these ones were pleasant to me).
I just told my boss that I'm going to go on a mob with VERY little notice just this week and his response was [pause for breath] "Ok, we'll have to check with HR on what we need to do. Do you have a list of tasks you have to off-load? What are your thoughts on your staff? Do you have anyone you think could step in?" At which point I handed him my draft decision-paper on succession and we were back into normal discussions.
For me, the matter of fact approach is the best. It *IS* one of the reasons I haven't left this employer in the 10 years since my last mob. I wasn't injured and didn't have any PTSD-type issues, so the fact that it is "normal" was the best for my adjustment.
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I bet that MAJ (Join to see) would have an excellent response here. He has done this transition back and forth several times, and extremely successfully. Thom?
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MAJ (Join to see)
My experience transitioning to and from military service in a high tech area as a software exec was as seamless and supportive as you could hope for. None of my peers or CEOs had any military experience, and most of them didn't even really have any relatives with military experience. And in all of the three companies I was with prior to deployments, there was only that even had another war service veteran on staff. But the lengths they went through to ensure not only I was taken care of, but my family as well, were humbling.
The key was communication, early and often. For one of my deployments, I had less than a week's notice, and that was after a few months of "maybe, maybe not" from the DoD. For the others, I had a few months. In each case we worked through the HR issues, figured out insurance issues, and one even paid a small stipend to make up at least part of the difference between my military and civilian pay. And during each deployment, I would blog when I could and included the full staff of my companies, which helped create a strong bond that would prove invaluable upon my return.
Returning from deployment is always a challenge and in each case, I had a different experience. The return from my first combat deployment, for example, was extremely difficult. The company had changed strategic direction, the majority of the company had turned over (about 80%), and the new team was doing really well. My executive team and I had to face the reality after about six months that my skill set was redundant, but I was able to make a nice, easy transition out of my position. It was positive for us all as I was able to jump on another start-up opportunity.
The other times I returned it took a good four to six weeks to really get back into the swing of things, but eventually I was able to return to being a geek after being a Soldier. All of my employers were incredibly patient and supportive upon my return, and none expected me to immediately jump back into the mix. On average, I spent two weeks readjusting to civilian life at home, and then about four weeks adjusting back into work life (simply because I felt I'd go stir crazy sitting at home for too long, I wanted to be back with my civilian friends and put the deployments behind me).
Professional growth isn't really the challenge for those of us deploying who are in the technology sector - but skill degradation is. A lot happens in the technology world in 12 to 15 months. All of my employers allowed me to take my work laptop with me on deployment, which allowed me to keep my chops warm on the technology, and all would e-mail occasionally to ask my advice about a particular technology challenge. The idea wasn't that I truly had much to contribute - the boots on the ground back in Boston needed to make the ultimate decision - but to keep me connected with technology and my peers. I often couldn't reply for weeks, but again, timing and a real answer weren't the point.
In the end, the bond between myself, my peers, and my former subordinates in all of those groups I led or was a part of was deeper than I ever expected. The support of everyone around me - community, job, and family - was the real reason for my successful integration, not anything I did by myself. Many, if not all, of my professional relationships are still strong connections today.
I asked one of my CFOs once why he was so willing to do more than the law required and he replied, "None of my sons have or will deploy. This is my way of serving my country, by serving those that do." That put a smile on my face and a warm feeling in my heart. I was very fortunate and will be forever indebted to my employers, my peers, and my teams.
The key was communication, early and often. For one of my deployments, I had less than a week's notice, and that was after a few months of "maybe, maybe not" from the DoD. For the others, I had a few months. In each case we worked through the HR issues, figured out insurance issues, and one even paid a small stipend to make up at least part of the difference between my military and civilian pay. And during each deployment, I would blog when I could and included the full staff of my companies, which helped create a strong bond that would prove invaluable upon my return.
Returning from deployment is always a challenge and in each case, I had a different experience. The return from my first combat deployment, for example, was extremely difficult. The company had changed strategic direction, the majority of the company had turned over (about 80%), and the new team was doing really well. My executive team and I had to face the reality after about six months that my skill set was redundant, but I was able to make a nice, easy transition out of my position. It was positive for us all as I was able to jump on another start-up opportunity.
The other times I returned it took a good four to six weeks to really get back into the swing of things, but eventually I was able to return to being a geek after being a Soldier. All of my employers were incredibly patient and supportive upon my return, and none expected me to immediately jump back into the mix. On average, I spent two weeks readjusting to civilian life at home, and then about four weeks adjusting back into work life (simply because I felt I'd go stir crazy sitting at home for too long, I wanted to be back with my civilian friends and put the deployments behind me).
Professional growth isn't really the challenge for those of us deploying who are in the technology sector - but skill degradation is. A lot happens in the technology world in 12 to 15 months. All of my employers allowed me to take my work laptop with me on deployment, which allowed me to keep my chops warm on the technology, and all would e-mail occasionally to ask my advice about a particular technology challenge. The idea wasn't that I truly had much to contribute - the boots on the ground back in Boston needed to make the ultimate decision - but to keep me connected with technology and my peers. I often couldn't reply for weeks, but again, timing and a real answer weren't the point.
In the end, the bond between myself, my peers, and my former subordinates in all of those groups I led or was a part of was deeper than I ever expected. The support of everyone around me - community, job, and family - was the real reason for my successful integration, not anything I did by myself. Many, if not all, of my professional relationships are still strong connections today.
I asked one of my CFOs once why he was so willing to do more than the law required and he replied, "None of my sons have or will deploy. This is my way of serving my country, by serving those that do." That put a smile on my face and a warm feeling in my heart. I was very fortunate and will be forever indebted to my employers, my peers, and my teams.
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Got the typical cube-o-packing-peanuts on return from GTMO. was told they put my stuff "in storage"
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