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In the wake of the Charleston massacre, NRA board member Charles Cotton blamed the massacre on the pastor. He said,
"And he voted against concealed-carry. Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue."
It doesn't matter how you slice it. That statement was patently wrong and utterly ridiculous. The pastor did not hold the shooter's hand or commit any offense aside from being black. While he wasn't speaking officially for the NRA, his comments reflect the mentality and perspective he brings to the table when the organization is making decisions.
I grew up in a very pro-2A family, but my father cancelled his NRA membership because he felt it was heading in the wrong direction. That it had increasingly shed reason and practicality in favor of extreme positions arrived at through fear (or possibly corruption). He felt the organization no longer represented the actual desires and concerns of most gun owners and has actually served to turn public opinion against gun ownership. I tend to agree with him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/19/an-nra-board-member-blamed-a-murdered-pastor-for-the-deaths-in-charleston-yes-really/
SGT (Join to see), MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca, SGT Efaw (Mick) G. , SFC Mark Merino , TSgt Hunter Logan
"And he voted against concealed-carry. Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue."
It doesn't matter how you slice it. That statement was patently wrong and utterly ridiculous. The pastor did not hold the shooter's hand or commit any offense aside from being black. While he wasn't speaking officially for the NRA, his comments reflect the mentality and perspective he brings to the table when the organization is making decisions.
I grew up in a very pro-2A family, but my father cancelled his NRA membership because he felt it was heading in the wrong direction. That it had increasingly shed reason and practicality in favor of extreme positions arrived at through fear (or possibly corruption). He felt the organization no longer represented the actual desires and concerns of most gun owners and has actually served to turn public opinion against gun ownership. I tend to agree with him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/19/an-nra-board-member-blamed-a-murdered-pastor-for-the-deaths-in-charleston-yes-really/
SGT (Join to see), MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca, SGT Efaw (Mick) G. , SFC Mark Merino , TSgt Hunter Logan
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What a crap comment to make. Once again, all the ills of the world are boiled down to agenda setters. The two camps of 'if I only had a gun'....,and 'because they had a gun'. When I go to church, I don't expect snipers to defend me from the steeple. I do expect crazy people to act crazy and do crazy things when they are allowed to go through life crazy. Crazy is as crazy does. For political reasons, we hear the incidents of broken people carrying out their demented fantasies with a gun again, and again, and again. Welcome to the wonderful age of the internet. Nothing has changed, except the way we report get fed the news. Forget the fact that alcohol kills more people daily than all the nut jobs combined can do in years. Prohibition has been tried and failed and won't get any political hacks elected. Our own media is to blame. Take the time to unplug and think for yourself. There is never a focus on the happy median with them. The media demands absolute thinking. Why? It sells air time, endorsements, makes money, etc. Remember when the news was 1/2 an hour at 6am and at 11pm only? We learned more real things going on in the world when there was no time to waste. They did actual reporting. We live in the same world as back then, but this 24/7 reporting crap fills out the hours by pitting our citizens against each other. We are individually categorized into groups that we are expected to fall into. We believe we have freedom of speech, but what a load of garbage. In the words of Metallica, "you can do it your own way, if it's done just how I say." You are not allowed to disagree or you are a racist, an elitist, a gun nut, a baby killer, a stooge, a victim, a sexist, an illegal, a freeloader, the list is endless. Freedom of speech? Laughable. They own us. All they have to do is stick the camera in our face. Paranoid, long-ass, rant complete. Drops mike; exits stage left.
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MSgt (Join to see)
We have evil people doing evil things. We are surrounded by evil. And only when we change the hearts and minds of those that are evil will we make progress.
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"Never let a crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel
I am not PC, but that is one of the most shameful, exploitive, and pandering statements I have heard in a long time. It made me blanch, and that is not easy. This guy needs to be fired, but not before being repudiated by the NRA. This is not a time to make points. It was in poor taste from the other side of the issue post Sandy Hook, and it is vile now.
Those people are dead because a douchebag wanted to kill in a racist orgy of loser-life depravity. Please, oh please put him in the regular prison population and let justice be served.
I am not PC, but that is one of the most shameful, exploitive, and pandering statements I have heard in a long time. It made me blanch, and that is not easy. This guy needs to be fired, but not before being repudiated by the NRA. This is not a time to make points. It was in poor taste from the other side of the issue post Sandy Hook, and it is vile now.
Those people are dead because a douchebag wanted to kill in a racist orgy of loser-life depravity. Please, oh please put him in the regular prison population and let justice be served.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
I doubt he'll be fired or that even if he was, it would make a lick of difference. Boards of privately held companies are self-selected. I worked for one organization where potential board candidates were passed over for political ideology not competence. When Cotton wrote that statement, it's very likely he wasn't saying something every other board member thought. They were just smart enough not to put it in writing for everyone to see.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Admittedly, it's hard NOT to politicize a problem that has, at least in part, a political solution. What I can't understand is why, despite everyone agreeing that mental health care is a significant contributor, neither side has managed to table a single workable solution that I'm aware of.
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That was a ridiculous statement, but it was the statement of a person, not an organization.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
True. But it is the statement of a person who sits on the board of directors. I've sat in enough board meetings to know that the mentality does not exist in a vacuum and heavily influences organizational decisions. No one at that level ever truly speaks as an individual.
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The NRA lost their way long ago. The more you research about whom they lay in bed with the more you see the BS. I gave up my membership years ago and became a member of National Association of Gun Rights. I want to see my dues be put to good use not to pay their mouth piece $900,000 a year to make a few speeches.
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Seems the NRA was a place to learn to handle firearms safely and gun safety was the major program. Target shooting and Marksmanship badge which I did have mostly with .22 rifles while growing up. Responsible handling of firearms at all times. None of us were dangerous and had no mishaps and respected firearms and safety of others as well. Socialism has no place for even that and creating a fear of firearms instead of a respect for them. The attitudes they push are the problem and hateful approach to anyone that doesn't think like them and use of violence to drive the points home and try to get the Government to control everything. These are the people that threaten safety and infringe on the rights of other now to be able to have the potential to protect themselves from a Government that they are trying to change and not for the better. The NRA now is reacting to things that before weren't even an issue and laws that aren't being enforced against actual Criminals. The battle now is against evil individuals who want to disarm their victims and make it easier to prey on them ! Those that are misinformed play right into the hands of the criminals and self serving politicians without even knowing that is what they are doing.
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The NRA, NAACP, it's all the same. Organizations rushing to the smoke of an incident with their soapboxes. The only one to blame here is the shooter. If all these organizations and media outlets would shut up for a second and take a breath, we might be able to concentrate on the family and their losses. That's all that matters.
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Pew actually shows that the favorability of gun ownership by Americans has actually gone UP. I know that doesn't fit the narrative of the Progressive left, so they just state the opposite, and hope nobody checks. Those who don't favor gun ownership WANT to believe the falsehood, and those who don't believe the falsehood don't care to check.
http://www.pewresearch.org/data-trend/domestic-issues/gun-control/
http://www.pewresearch.org/data-trend/domestic-issues/gun-control/
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Interesting results. Thanks for sharing. I'd be extremely interested in seeing the causes because it's a rather sharp change in 2000 with a shrinking middle ever since. I think this may be despite the NRA rather than because of it though...that's just my opinion though. The GWOT and general American fear of terrorism and the lost sense of security from 9/11 have probably done more to shift opinions than anything else.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Could be... I didn't get very far into the meat of the poll. I don't know how much the NRA itself effects such beliefs, but I do know that they are one of the few who have the means to stand up to those opposed to gun ownership en masse.
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NO NO NO!
Now that is absolutely the most foolish, ignorant thing to say! That's not a way, for sure, to win a second amendment argument. THIS is WAY TO EARLY to state what if's. I totally agree with you when you say it is wrong SGT Jeremiah B.
The only thing I do not agree with is with your assessment that this is going to be the cornerstone of all or most NRA members... You can't label them all because of that one a$$.
The NRA DID state that "individual board members DO NOT speak for the NRA and DO NOT have the AUTHORITY to speak for the NRA."
And I absolutely LOVE that there are police officers at school.
What this "man" said was tasteless, disgusting, he should come out with an apology if he hasn't all ready. To EVERY SINGLE family member, don't he dare address them as a group. Just irates me, people thinking they can treat others they way that they do.
Now that is absolutely the most foolish, ignorant thing to say! That's not a way, for sure, to win a second amendment argument. THIS is WAY TO EARLY to state what if's. I totally agree with you when you say it is wrong SGT Jeremiah B.
The only thing I do not agree with is with your assessment that this is going to be the cornerstone of all or most NRA members... You can't label them all because of that one a$$.
The NRA DID state that "individual board members DO NOT speak for the NRA and DO NOT have the AUTHORITY to speak for the NRA."
And I absolutely LOVE that there are police officers at school.
What this "man" said was tasteless, disgusting, he should come out with an apology if he hasn't all ready. To EVERY SINGLE family member, don't he dare address them as a group. Just irates me, people thinking they can treat others they way that they do.
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Yeah, but that is just one and they are trying to make it right. If I didn't hear anything from them regarding this statement, then yes, I would think that they are not a rational actor anymore, but since they do not condone what this man said... I don't know, I have a little more respect. There's nothing like someone admitting they were wrong. SGT Jeremiah B.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
SGT (Join to see) , I'd be more with you if I hadn't had more than one conversation that went something like "Look, we all agree, but you can't say that crap out loud. Go make it right" or as a PR Flack - "Go say that person doesn't speak for us" after someone said something we thought at an inopportune time.
The NRA's response was a PR maneuver that distances the organization from the statement of one of its leaders without actually addressing it. I have yet to see any word or action by the NRA that shows they actually disagree with Cotton.
The NRA's response was a PR maneuver that distances the organization from the statement of one of its leaders without actually addressing it. I have yet to see any word or action by the NRA that shows they actually disagree with Cotton.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
I'm a PR flack for all intents and purposes so I'm super familiar with how this works. Never trust a press secretary. Ever. heh SGT (Join to see)
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There's nothing wrong with wanting to defend firearms rights. To me though the NRA is cold and impersonal about tragedies that firearms are used in. I think they would do better being sympathetic then being cold about it.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
That would be helpful. It won't happen, but it would be helpful. I think they're afraid to admit that firearms give individuals a unique ability to inflict large amounts of pain and suffering and displaying anything but defensive condolences would weaken their position (and alienate their biggest donors).
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