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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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Has the United Nations outlived its usefulness in World Order or does it need to be reorganized?

The United Nations (UN) is an intergovernmental organization to promote international co-operation. A replacement for the ineffective League of Nations, the organization was established on 24 October 1945 following the Second World War to prevent another such conflict. At its founding, the UN had 51 member states; there are now 193. The headquarters of the United Nations is in Manhattan, New York City, and experiences extraterritoriality.

Do we give the institution more power or do we dismantle it?

Do we come up with a new World Organization that brings the countries together for world issues and what does that look like?

Do we go back to the days before the United Nations and the League of Nations in 1920 prior to WW1 and let each country work out their own issues, create its own treaties and alliances, and solve its own problems (and if another country comes to their aid so be it)?

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Capt Seid Waddell
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It needs to go the way of the League of Nations. It is worse than useless; it is a place that allows repressive regimes to run human rights commissions and other such nonsense. Its peacekeepers cannot keep the peace and simply become targets until they retreat, and its inspectors and sanctions managers are typically bribed by those supposedly being sanctioned.

They have the same effect as six wolves and a sheep voting on what's for super; the repressive regimes outnumber the responsible ones.
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LTC John Griscom
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Aside from its ineffectiveness, how many investigations have been done into the corrupt operations, to include UNICEF years ago, of the people selected to "manage" financial aspects of the UN?
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CPT Carl Daschke
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Not only is the UN ineffective but the United States pays 22% of the annual costs and, has since the organizations inception. What have we, as citizens, realized from the enormous costs other than one UN failure after another. I was proud of President Trump's speech today - it was long, long overdue. Time to pack up our marbles and go home. Turn the UN building into a VA center!
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Sgt Martin Querin
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LOL, great analogy.
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PFC Eric Parrish
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I concur ! It is also serves as a forum for despots and repressive nations to try to influence American domestic issues. It's design is in support of the failed idea of a one world government that penalizes productive countries and hopes to redistribute wealth.
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LTC John Shaw
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs The UN is a great idea, poorly executed.
The UN gives the symbolic representation to the world is working to solve problems, when in reality the UN is a bunch of self-interested people serving themselves engaged in cronyism.
It provides the gloss or cover of legitimacy without the action and passion behind it.
Governments are made legitimate via the social contract that exists with the population of the nation. In the US we have a direct election for Congress and indirect for the President via the electors within the Republican system.
The UN has NO members directly elected by anyone, these representatives are appointed. Nothing in the US constitution speaks to the enumerated powers vested in a supra-national government.
The UN is not a legitimate government and represents NO ONE.
You have some people like CPT (Join to see) that see problems in the world and want to resolve these issues. Great idea, we want to solve world problems now!
The UN is not granted the power, resources or authority to resolve any world problem but because it exists, some people assume that it may actually have the ability to do it.
ANY power, resources or authority granted will be LOST to the people who need it because the money will be redirected through the bureaucracy.

In summary, the UN does not solve problems, not legitimate, all resources provided are shamelessly redirected to the benefit of the politically connected. Good hearted people are misled.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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LTC John Shaw -Sir that is exactly what I did. I sponsored a child through Compassion International. Thank you very much for the suggestion!
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LTC John Shaw
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SGM Steve Wettstein Awesome! It is a great organization, so far they seem to use money wisely.
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Sgt Martin Querin
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Well said LTC Shaw.
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SPC Stanley Robinson
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Very well articulated and a great view as to what the UN is.
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I worked for the UN in NY from 2008 to 2011, and I can say that the UN is not what it is cracked to be. Laws are only passed based on the member countries who agree to use what ever comes up during the General Assembly. The Security Council in which the 5 main permanent countries, (which are the same allied nations since WWII, which is UK, US, Russia, France, and China)... With 10 others who are voted in, but the majority votes come from whether the permanent members allow it. It is a dog and pony show for that place, and the US is the biggest contributor in funding at almost 23% of its financial deficit, the second largest is Japan at almost 11%, with only 3 other countries in the single digits, leaving the other countries at .005% for contributions...

Because it is such a controversial organizations, it is limited on power and can only use the Security Council to make laws that only benefit what is sees fit, and the General Assembly (GA) uses its two yearly functions to address matters that universally will be used worldwide, but its no guarantee. If you think about all rules and laws that apply such as the Geneva Convention, other countries that are members of the UN don't follow the rules or policies but are not even punished or expelled from the member seat.. So goes to show how political the UN really is...
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The UN is not a government and makes absolutely no laws. It's resolutions are only as binding as the countries allow on themselves. Smaller, less rich and less militarily capable countries can feel the pressure a little more.
Veto power only exists in the SC, not the GA.
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MAJ (Join to see) I respect that.
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GySgt Melissa Gravila
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It seems to me that since it is basically a group of cronies, it would stand to reason that it is easily corrupted and does not benefit those it was originally intended to. When an entity attempts to force its beliefs on another, there ceases to be a democracy and becomes a dictatorship and should be disbanded.
Just my $.02
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Maj John D Benedict
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Thanks SGT Edward Jahnke, it's pretty disappointing to hear the USA pays so much, and doesn't get a proportional vote. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the USA has all the great ideas. But hearing what other countries pay, and the amount of whining some of them do makes me think those really need a muzzle.
I don't think we should pull out of the UN, as that would leave Israel with no cover. But I do think some other nations need to cough up some finances. I was glad to hear Mr. Trump's speech; some nations need to be put on notice.
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Has the United Nations outlived its usefulness in World Order or does it need to be reorganized?
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"Outlived?"

The UN never has lived up to its intended "usefulness". It is a useless organization and has been since its inception. Frankly I find it to be largely anti-American in the last few decades, except when it comes to taking OUR money to fund its activities.
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SSG Stephen Arnold
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Furthermore, UN sanctions have resulted in a negligible effect on the countries sanctioned.
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LTC Stephen F.
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I concur with Capt Seid Waddell. The UN ought to go the way of the League of nations first proposed by President Woodrow Wilson at the end of WWI. The League of Nations died on the vine as the nations of the world moved towards WWII.
The UN was proposed by President FDR during WWII when there was a clear delineation between extreme evil on the part of the AXIS and their Muslim allies in the middle east [Grand Mufti in Jerusalem, etc.] and the allies and the neutral nations.
The UN was pretty useless for most nations during the colonial uprising, the starvations in biafra, sudan, darfur, and the numerous wars that have occurred since the UN was founded.
The UN has not stopped a war yet? It failed in Algeria, Southeast and Northeast Asia, many places in Africa and the middle east. The biggest boosts for peace in our time were Nixon's rapprochement with communist China during his administration, the Camp David Accords in the Carter administration, and the falling of the Soviet empire in the Reagan administration. In each of these cases the UN was impotent as it was during the first gulf war, OEF, etc.
The way the UN bureaucracy "functions" we have had some of the most vile nations in the world elected to serve on committees where they have had numerous violations - including slavery, genocide, etc.
THe USA provides disproportionate funding to keep the UN solvent while enduring their presence in NY City and the diplomatic immunity the delegates exercise - the unpaid parking fees alone are staggering each year.
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Well the league of nations failed because our Congress refused to contribute resources and political capitol because back then America didn't want to get involved in any foreign wars because of ww1. That's why the league failed lack of adequate support and lack of unifying force that would have made it effective back then could have been the US but that wasn't a national priority.
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LTC Stephen F.
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PFC (Join to see) - It was not the USA's government funding issue which caused the League to fail any more than lack of funding is causing the UN to be ineffectual much of the time. Trying to gain consensus in organizations where the major players have opposing viewpoints is to often a fools errand.
Russia and China are permanent members of the UN security council as is the USA in the UN.
The League had radical communist USSR led by Stalin for instance versus the USA, France and UK with many commonwealth nations.
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LTC Stephen F. - well that and the problem with the league was it had little real political power and oversight capability.

Well the U.N. is flawed but we need an organization like that and nobody else has any more of a realistic option and saying going it alone is not an option because their goes our economy without the U.N. our trade agreements, defense agreements, armistist agreements, international laws, economic and business agreements all will be null invoid that's just a disaster especially with our financial deficit without the U.N. that debt we may need pay it back which we cannot.
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There are some good parts to the UN but most of it is a joke. No one really respects their peace keepers in general. When there is a chance to get money for helping soldiers from countries will go but when there is fighting their country will quickly pull out and leave the situation worse off than it was when they got there. It is a joke in many aspects. Think the UN is going to fix anything is the worst.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs I don't think it has outlived it's usefulness. Simply put the principal behind the creation of the U.N was to provide a way for nations to address issues with each other without resorting to war, to address cultural and humanitarian issues, to ensure security, . We look around the world and all we see are humanitarian issues, terrorism, piracy, threats of war, societal implosion (race war), I think the personnel there are failing to do their jobs. I don't think giving the U.N. more power will be useful they aren't managing the resources they have properly. This does not mean they do not have the potential to work together, they do. As the world population gets larger the world in a sense gets smaller. Each country has more demand on a limited amount of resources and this leads them to be more me oriented than us oriented. If we could change this thought pattern instead of having what's best for my nation and have what's best for the World perhaps they could make a difference that will be larger than themselves. It's an idea I doubt it will ever happen because human beings as a species are selfish.
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Not at all. See my other post. ;)
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MAJ (Join to see) - See my original post
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I have. I just think we get much more value out of the UN than we put in. I would agree that other countries need to do much more in terms of financing. But having been unlucky enough to be either directly serving on, or serving with lots of UN missions, I see the value as well.
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SSG Warren Swan
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The UN has become part of the problems it was designed to do away with. Have they helped, yes. But with any attaboy, one negative wipes them out, and they've had more negatives than anything else recently. It's become a worldwide version of our VA with all the headaches to go with it. If it's to stay, it needs a complete overhaul of its mission and scope. It would also need to do away with permanent members of all committees. With most positions in the UN, there is a rotation of the nations. Not so with the security council and all its doing now is making senseless resolutions, or voting against nations just to get a rise out of it's diplomat. We have ambassadors to countries we deal with or are recognized and to me they'd be a more direct way of dealing with an issue over having a UN "resolution" that could take months to convene and vote on. Everything the UN does could be handled through diplomats to a particular country.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SSG Warren Swan Great suggestions - thanks for responding
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1SG Kenneth Talkington Sr
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Thank you SGT Swan. I thought that our State Department and Foreign Service organizations were supposed to deal with the negotiations that the UN was formed to do. Of course with our inept State Department employees things be no better.
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MSG Laura Washington
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SSG Warren Swan great comments. COL Mikel J. Burroughs thanks for starting the discussion.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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The issue is there are disparate interests and some countries act solely on those interests. The word "united" in United Nations is a misuse of the word. We have seen the feckless performance of the UN for decades. The peacekeeping troops cannot keep the peace and in some cases are criminal in their actions. The security council has brought little security around the world. Human rights councils are run by the greatest offenders at the UN. Even it's human rights and relief organizations are weak and fraught with corruption.


The UN has no teeth. The Russians took the Crimea and look what happened to them at the UN, zippo.

I think we need to reduce it's scope and have it do what is within the realm of reasonability to do. Don't ask me what those things are as I have no idea what they do well. The supporters will toss out the "it could have been much worse without them". Really, is that the best argument to keep it?
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For less than the cost of one F-35, we seem to get a pretty decent return.

[Note: Statistical information on uniformed personnel is as of 30 June 2015 as statistical information on civilian staff is as of 30 June 2015, unless otherwise specified]
•Peacekeeping operations since 1948: 71
•Current peacekeeping operations: 16

Personnel
•Uniformed personnel: 105,394 (as of 30 June 2015)
◦Troops: 90,556
◦Police: 13,095
◦Military observers: 1,743
• Civilian personnel: 16,791 (as of 31 June 2015)
◦International: 5,315
◦Local: 11,476
•UN Volunteers: 1,760 (as of 30 June 2015)
•Total number of personnel serving in 16 peacekeeping operations: 123,945
•Countries contributing uniformed personnel: 122
•Total fatalities in current operations: 1,598
•Total fatalities in all peace operations since 1948: 3,372

Financial aspects
•Approved resources for the period from 1 July 2014 to 30 June 2015: about $8.47 billion
•Outstanding contributions to peacekeeping (30 June 2015): about $4.80 billion

Current operations

United Nations Mission for the Referendum in Western Sahara (MINURSO)

In Western Sahara since April 1991
Strength: 468 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 197
◦Troops: 26
◦Military observers: 178
◦Police: 6
•Civilian personnel: 246
◦International civilians: 84
◦Local civilians: 162
•UN Volunteers: 12

Fatalities: 15

Approved budget (07/2014– 06/2015): $55,990,080
[A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]

United Nations Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in the Central African Republic (MINUSCA)

In the Central African Republic since April 2014
Strength: 11,563 total, including:
• Uniformed personnel: 10,806
◦Troops: 9,110
◦Military observers: 144
◦Police: 1,552
•Civilian personnel: 681
◦International civilians: 462
◦Local civilians: 219
•UN Volunteers: 76

Fatalities: 2

Approved budget (07/2014– 06/2015): $628,724,400 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]


United Nations Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in Mali (MINUSMA)

In Mali since April 2013
Strength: 11,591 total, including:
• Uniformed personnel: 10,207
◦Troops: 9,149
◦Military observers: 0
◦Police: 1,058
•Civilian personnel: 1,260
◦International civilians: 578
◦Local civilians: 682
•UN Volunteers: 124

Fatalities: 56
Approved budget: (07/2014– 06/2015): $830,701,700 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Stabilization Mission in Haiti (MINUSTAH)

In Haiti since June 2004
Strength: 6,156 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 4,557
◦Troops: 2,338
◦Police: 2,239
•Civilian personnel: 1,451
◦International civilians: 317
◦Local civilians: 1,134
•UN Volunteers: 128

Fatalities: 181

Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $500,080,500 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]

United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (MONUSCO)

In the Democratic Republic of the Congo since July 2010
Strength: 23,799 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 19,784
◦Troops: 18,232
◦Military observers: 462
◦Police: 1,090
•Civilian personnel: 3,565
◦International civilians: 840
◦Local civilians: 2,725
•UN Volunteers: 450

Fatalities: 93

Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $1,398,475,300 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]

African Union-United Nations Hybrid Operation in Darfur (UNAMID)

In Darfur since July 2007
Strength: 21,333 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 17,754
◦Troops: 14,413
◦Military observers: 172
◦Police: 3,169
•Civilian personnel: 3,410
◦International civilians: 845
◦Local civilians: 2,565
•UN Volunteers: 169

Fatalities: 218

Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $1,153,611,300 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]

United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF)

In Syria since June 1974
Strength: 947 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 789
◦Troops: 789
•Civilian personnel: 158
◦International civilians: 53
◦Local civilians: 105

Fatalities: 46
Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $64,110,900 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP)

In Cyprus since March 1964
Strength: 1,071 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 920
◦Troops: 858
◦Police: 62
•Civilian personnel: 151
◦International civilians: 37
◦Local civilians: 114

Fatalities: 183

Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $59,072,800 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]

United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL)

In Lebanon since March 1978
Strength: 11,279 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 10,410
◦Troops: 10,410
•Civilian personnel: 869
◦International civilians: 279
◦Local civilians: 590

Fatalities: 308
Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $509,554,400 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Interim Security Force for Abyei (UNISFA)

In Abyei, Sudan since June 2011
Strength: 4,588 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 4,366
◦Troops: 4,222
◦Military observers: 116
◦Police: 28
•Civilian personnel: 195
◦International civilians: 130
◦Local civilians: 65
•UN Volunteers: 27

Fatalities: 19
Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $318,925,200 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Mission in the Republic of South Sudan (UNMISS)

In South Sudan since July 2011
Strength: 14,905 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 12,523
◦Troops: 11,350
◦Military observers: 179
◦Police: 994
•Civilian personnel: 1,973
◦International civilians: 769
◦Local civilians: 1,204
•UN Volunteers: 409

Fatalities: 36
Approved budget(07/2014 – 06/2015): $1,097,315,100 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Operation in Côte d'Ivoire (UNOCI)

In Côte d'Ivoire since April 2004
Strength: 8,058 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 6,913
◦Troops: 5,259
◦Military observers: 174
◦Police: 1,480
•Civilian personnel: 992
◦International civilians: 317
◦Local civilians: 675
•UN Volunteers: 153

Fatalities: 135
Approved budget (07/2014 - 06/2015): $493,570,300 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK)

In Kosovo since June 1999
Strength: 372 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 16
◦Military observers: 8
◦Police: 8
•Civilian personnel: 329
◦International civilians: 109
◦Local civilians: 220
•UN Volunteers: 27

Fatalities: 55
Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $42,971,600 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Mission in Liberia (UNMIL)

In Liberia since September 2003
Strength: 7,323 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 5,934
◦Troops: 4,400
◦Military observers: 125
◦Police: 1,409
•Civilian personnel: 1,204
◦International civilians: 381
◦Local civilians: 823
•UN Volunteers: 185

Fatalities: 190
Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $427,319,800 [A/C.5/69/17 PDF Document]
United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP)

In India and Pakistan since January 1949
Strength: 115 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 43
◦Military observers: 43
•Civilian personnel: 72
◦International civilians: 25
◦Local civilians: 47

Fatalities: 11

Appropriation (biennium 2014-2015): $19,647,100

United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO)

In Middle East since May 1948
Strength: 377 total, including:
•Uniformed personnel: 142
◦Military observers: 142
•Civilian personnel: 235
◦International civilians: 89
◦Local civilians: 146

Fatalities: 50

Appropriation (biennium 2014 - 2015): $74,291,900
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MAJ (Join to see) Valid point about the cost factor and F-35. Thanks for the link and sharing some of the positive things the UN has accomplished!
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MAJ (Join to see) Interesting stats. Thanks for sharing.
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MAJ (Join to see) Thank you for the share sir and very solid point.
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