Posted on Feb 1, 2016
Has your opinion of Hillary evolved with the evolving scandals surrounding her?
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Okay. My question isn't new. It was asked and answered four months ago, but a lot has happened since then, hasn't it? Most recently, according to the linked article, the IG has revealed that the State Department was colluding with Hillary by hiding the fact that they had never set up an email account for her while she was Secretary of State. Can you imagine that? The boss doesn't have an email account? Where were those emails from her originating? (BTW, didn't Hillary once complain about having to carry multiple devices for her "multiple" email accounts? It now appears that was a lie inasmuch as she only had the one in her bathroom.) Inquiring minds want to know...
Granted, as I learned while working in the PR biz, there (purportedly) is no such thing as bad PR. "Say anything you want about me, just spell my name correctly" was the touchstone of public relations. Well, let's test that theory. Has your opinion about Hillary changed.
Apparently I'm not permitted to create a poll question (at least that option never appeared while posting this) but I'd like to know: (1) I support Hillary, always have, always will or (2) I supported Hillary but my support has waned; or (3) I support Hillary, but my resolve is weakening; or (4) Never liked Hillary and the scandals have only served to prove me correct; or (5) Who's Hillary?
http://nypost.com/2016/01/31/this-was-all-planned-former-ig-says-hillary-state-dept-are-lying/
Granted, as I learned while working in the PR biz, there (purportedly) is no such thing as bad PR. "Say anything you want about me, just spell my name correctly" was the touchstone of public relations. Well, let's test that theory. Has your opinion about Hillary changed.
Apparently I'm not permitted to create a poll question (at least that option never appeared while posting this) but I'd like to know: (1) I support Hillary, always have, always will or (2) I supported Hillary but my support has waned; or (3) I support Hillary, but my resolve is weakening; or (4) Never liked Hillary and the scandals have only served to prove me correct; or (5) Who's Hillary?
http://nypost.com/2016/01/31/this-was-all-planned-former-ig-says-hillary-state-dept-are-lying/
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 29
The case for Server-gate has been building for some time CPT Jack Durish. I am hopeful that the evidence for all applicable charges is being gathered in an undramatic manner [at least for those not directly involved] and that charges will be presented by early summer for all involved.
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MCPO Roger Collins
CPT Jack Durish - The current AG will slow roll all actions until the election is finalized and is protected from prosecution by being a sitting President. At that point what difference does it make?
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LTC Stephen F.
MCPO Roger Collins CPT Jack Durish - I hope the pressure will be so great that special prosecutor will need to be appointed hopefully by the House kicking off the issue at public meetings.
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MCPO Roger Collins
LTC Stephen F. - Clock is against us on this one. I don't believe a special prosecutor would get up to speed in time. Sad as it is, I'm convinced she will skate.
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LTC Stephen F.
MCPO Roger Collins - one of the benefits of the information age is the mere fact that a special prosecutor is appointed to investigate Hillary Rodham Clinton in Server-gate may scuttle her chances to be elected a s POTUS.
When the Watergate hearings were going on they garnered national attention while there was only basic TV and no internet. That was 40 years ago. Nobody with as high a profile as Hillary Rodham Clinton has been "tried" since. Even OJ pales by comparison. CPT Jack Durish
When the Watergate hearings were going on they garnered national attention while there was only basic TV and no internet. That was 40 years ago. Nobody with as high a profile as Hillary Rodham Clinton has been "tried" since. Even OJ pales by comparison. CPT Jack Durish
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A Strong Number 4. Cant stand her and the fact she has a total disregard for the law makes me hate her even more.
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CPT Jack Durish
I wish I could say number 5 - Who's Hillary? Knowing her had subtracted something from my regard for the human race. I have to go pet a puppy every time I see her photo or read anything about her.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
CPT Jack Durish I have to say I agree. She is a skank. I cant imagine watching her lie her way thru a State of the Union Address. But what I cant understand even more are the Liberal Vets that turn a blind eye to what he has done and go out of there way to make excuses for her.
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CPT Jack Durish
Careful. I'm a liberal - I love liberty. I think you mean Leftist or Progressive. Haven't seen any in this discussion thread, not yet.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
CPT Jack Durish LOL point taken. Leftist sounds better, Not sure why they think they are being progressive...LOL not a term I use often when referring to the Dems.
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CPT Jack Durish, it's hard for me to believe that my opinion of her could worsen, but it has!
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You mean all of those GOP faux scandals? Benghazi, RETROACTIVELY classified emails, Whitewater, etc.?
No, I've tuned out the 25 year conservative crusade against her long ago.
No, I've tuned out the 25 year conservative crusade against her long ago.
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MCPO Roger Collins
LTC (Join to see) - That is where the oops part came in. As to wasting money, now that is really a joke for a liberal to say.
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LTC (Join to see)
MCPO Roger Collins - I'm not a liberal, I'm just against religious candidates trying to protect the rights of religious bigots to discriminate.
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CPT Jack Durish I guess I fall between #2 and #3. I am starting to have a lot of doubt about her honestly, especially since she has always had an excuse for every incident that has arisen. I am truly in a quandary now, because I am a conservative Democrat. The person I was rooting for (Jim Webb) has dropped out my other favorite choice is Martin O'Malley, but he is so far down in the polls I don't think he will survive to many primaries to make it to the one here in Texas. I am no supporter of Trump, Cruz, or Rubio. I think the best candidate thus far is Kaish, but like O'Malley, he is so far down in the polls that I don't think he will survive. I honestly don't know who to vote for this time for the first time in my life.
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Sgt Jay Jones
CPT Jack Durish - you might be surprised because actually I claim to be a conservative Democrat or a liberal Republican.
I believe in God and His son Jesus Christ. I am a practicing Catholic.
I have core family values. I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. I'm not judging anyone who has an alternate lifestyle, because I don't have a Heaven or Hell to put anyone in.
I believe life begins at conception, so I am pro-life.
I believe the best welfare program you can have is a job that pays you enough to support your family and also gives you an opportunity to advance.
You would think with that value system I would make a good Republican.
However, I have some issues with the Republican party that cause me great concern.
I have not seen a true concern regarding racial issues coming from the Republican party in my humble opinion. I have seen legislation, gerrymandering to restrict the right to vote for minorities, especially African American and Latinos.
I see unbridled greed, this concerns me also. Just how many yachts does one person need. I'm not against capitalism, I just want to see a level playing field where everyone can truly have an opportunity to advance and achieve the American dream. When I see corporations like Wal-Mart, which is one of richest companies in America, move into a community destroy the mom and pop stores employ all of the local residents for a few years and then pack up and leave, leaving the community with no jobs and now businesses that bothers me.
When I see the "trickle down economics" theory claim success, while failing to disclose that the people at the top built a dam, it bothers me.
I see NO compassion for those less fortunate. If anything nothing but distain and hatred.
I see misguided religious leaders spouting hatred towards anyone who differs in religious beliefs, even within the Christian world.
Now let's take a look at the Democrats.
They embrace any type of lifestyle which helps destroy the moral fiber of this country.
They do, however display more of an appearance of acceptance of all people.
I do believe in government oversight, but not government running every aspect of our lives.
I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but there needs to be some "reasonable" constraints to ensure weapons remain out of the hands of criminals and terrorist.
So, you can see the political arena in this country causes me the most conflict.
I use to say that the Democrats needed common sense and the Republicans needed a heart.
I was sitting in Mass one day listening to the Priest give his Homily and it hit me like a ton of bricks. The Democrats need the Ten Commandments and the Republicans need the Beatitudes.
CPT Durish, I think we are more alike than we are different.
I believe in God and His son Jesus Christ. I am a practicing Catholic.
I have core family values. I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. I'm not judging anyone who has an alternate lifestyle, because I don't have a Heaven or Hell to put anyone in.
I believe life begins at conception, so I am pro-life.
I believe the best welfare program you can have is a job that pays you enough to support your family and also gives you an opportunity to advance.
You would think with that value system I would make a good Republican.
However, I have some issues with the Republican party that cause me great concern.
I have not seen a true concern regarding racial issues coming from the Republican party in my humble opinion. I have seen legislation, gerrymandering to restrict the right to vote for minorities, especially African American and Latinos.
I see unbridled greed, this concerns me also. Just how many yachts does one person need. I'm not against capitalism, I just want to see a level playing field where everyone can truly have an opportunity to advance and achieve the American dream. When I see corporations like Wal-Mart, which is one of richest companies in America, move into a community destroy the mom and pop stores employ all of the local residents for a few years and then pack up and leave, leaving the community with no jobs and now businesses that bothers me.
When I see the "trickle down economics" theory claim success, while failing to disclose that the people at the top built a dam, it bothers me.
I see NO compassion for those less fortunate. If anything nothing but distain and hatred.
I see misguided religious leaders spouting hatred towards anyone who differs in religious beliefs, even within the Christian world.
Now let's take a look at the Democrats.
They embrace any type of lifestyle which helps destroy the moral fiber of this country.
They do, however display more of an appearance of acceptance of all people.
I do believe in government oversight, but not government running every aspect of our lives.
I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but there needs to be some "reasonable" constraints to ensure weapons remain out of the hands of criminals and terrorist.
So, you can see the political arena in this country causes me the most conflict.
I use to say that the Democrats needed common sense and the Republicans needed a heart.
I was sitting in Mass one day listening to the Priest give his Homily and it hit me like a ton of bricks. The Democrats need the Ten Commandments and the Republicans need the Beatitudes.
CPT Durish, I think we are more alike than we are different.
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Capt Seid Waddell
I am a conservative, but only a Republican when they follow conservative principles, whish has been seldom of late.
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SSgt Robert Marx
I believe it is best to skirt both of the parties. Their similarities are such that many issues span the party line. I like the GOP as the legacy of Mr. Lincoln who transformed this nation only a century and a half ago; I respect the Democrats with the legacy from Mr. Jefferson who despite a desire for limited government doubled the land area of the Republic and began many public works projects such as canals. Both parties have great ideas that need national attention, but the time came and passed decades ago that a third party needed to have emerged to change the status quo. I believe in the need for a national Constitutional Party to bring the need of state's rights into the mix; I support the abolition of the direct election of senators and to restore the states' voice in government; I support a new constitutional convention that will take the federal government out of the issues that the constitution keeps them out of. All powers not granted to the federal government in the constitution are reserved for the states!
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... we can wish ... we can always wish that people will change their mind when confronted with the truth.
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Most definitely #4. I have despised ALL Clinton's since Bill's "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" moment under oath to the Grand Jury, then two hours later admitted the relationship, and Hillary's treatment of Bill's sexual assault victims.
IMO, ANYONE who supports the Clintons in ANY manner are morally and ethically corrupt. They see themselves as above the law and standards of conduct that "we" are expected to adhere to, don't apply to them. Case in point; Brian Williams embellishes the helicopter incident in Iraq and is forced to resign as NBC news anchor, yet Hillary can make a claim that she had to dodge sniper fire in Bosnia:
“I remember landing under sniper fire,” Clinton said during a George Washington University campaign event on March 17, 2008. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
When there is AMPLE video evidence that FULLY and COMPLETELY discredits her "version." Yet she is forgiven by just saying “So I made a mistake. That happens. It shows I’m human, which for some people is a revelation.”
I won't even go in to her email scandal and the OVER 1300 " Classified" emails found on her PRIVATE server, with 26 being classified TOP SECRET and ABOVE!!!
IMO, ANYONE who supports the Clintons in ANY manner are morally and ethically corrupt. They see themselves as above the law and standards of conduct that "we" are expected to adhere to, don't apply to them. Case in point; Brian Williams embellishes the helicopter incident in Iraq and is forced to resign as NBC news anchor, yet Hillary can make a claim that she had to dodge sniper fire in Bosnia:
“I remember landing under sniper fire,” Clinton said during a George Washington University campaign event on March 17, 2008. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
When there is AMPLE video evidence that FULLY and COMPLETELY discredits her "version." Yet she is forgiven by just saying “So I made a mistake. That happens. It shows I’m human, which for some people is a revelation.”
I won't even go in to her email scandal and the OVER 1300 " Classified" emails found on her PRIVATE server, with 26 being classified TOP SECRET and ABOVE!!!
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Mine hasn't changed because this article is just the latest from someone who wasn't there and is not involved in the investigation bloviating. He states it would be impossible for her to do her job without email. But funny, when former SECDEF Gates stated that he never used email, no one blinked. And President Bush said he never used email. Here's a quote from Gates:
“Yeah, that’s a concern for me,” Gates said. “I never used email when I was head of CIA or head of the Department of Defense. As I used to joke, I didn’t want to have some chief of station overseas email me and say he was going to do something if I didn’t get back to him in three hours, and I would get back from a five hour hearing to discover I was two hours too late."
So when this latest guy claims it would be impossible for Hillary to do her job without email, that undercuts his credibility immediately. My opinion hasn't changed because everything that has come out about this investigation has been leaks by people who never actually quote sources involved in the investigation and instead just repeat a bunch of "it looks bad for Hillary" opinions from those NOT involved. Just this morning on Morning Joe, Andrea Mitchell, who has been in the business for decades with well developed sources, stated that her sources, including some actually involved in the investigation, said the focus wasn't so much on the emails themselves. This is because the emails seem to have generated from public sources. But rather, they are looking at what Hillary and her aides said in response to those emails to see if they mentioned classified stuff that way.
When Joe Scarborough heard that, he started stammering and stuttering, and continually tried to cut Andrea off, because that reporting didn't support the republican talking points. But bear in mind that Andrea actually said her sources were part of the investigations. None of the republican hit pieces claim that.
As an aside, many people can't believe there could be TS stuff there accidently. But let me give you an example. If you have ever read an article on the internet about the Snowden NSA document thefts, then there is a very good chance you have TS material on your computer. The DOD has sent out memos reminding everyone that just because wikileaks has released TS/SCI documents on the internet doesn't mean that info is now unclassified. In fact, DOD emphasized that it remains TS/SCI, and they direct DOD personnel not to visit wikileaks or view any of the leaked documents or else you are guilty of illegal use and storage of classified material.
Now, you may say I never read wikileaks. But think about this. When you read an article from a newspaper that says that the NSA monitored the phone conversations of this country's leader or that one, what do you think the source material is of that information? That's right--it came from a TS/SCI SAP. So if you have on your computer's temp internet file a cache copy of any article discussing anything about the Snowden leaks, you almost certainly have TS/SCI info on there. And you say it wasn't marked classified? So what. As former military, can you not figure out that the fact that we are monitoring a foreign country's leaders communications is highly classified? So did you all report this breach to the DOD, or did you think that since it came from an unclassified newspaper article that it must be OK? Hmmmm.
As I've said all along, the investigation will eventually release their results and we will see. But all this noise and speculation is just that. Just because you once read an SCI document and are sure you would get in trouble if you mishandled it doesn't qualify anyone to definitively state what Hillary did or what she is guilty of. They just don't know, and generally have no clue. There is a lot more involved in the classification of material than most would think. That's why it is not only possible but common for intel agencies to disagree about what is and isn't classified or SAP. It is just not the black or white answer lay people think it would be.
“Yeah, that’s a concern for me,” Gates said. “I never used email when I was head of CIA or head of the Department of Defense. As I used to joke, I didn’t want to have some chief of station overseas email me and say he was going to do something if I didn’t get back to him in three hours, and I would get back from a five hour hearing to discover I was two hours too late."
So when this latest guy claims it would be impossible for Hillary to do her job without email, that undercuts his credibility immediately. My opinion hasn't changed because everything that has come out about this investigation has been leaks by people who never actually quote sources involved in the investigation and instead just repeat a bunch of "it looks bad for Hillary" opinions from those NOT involved. Just this morning on Morning Joe, Andrea Mitchell, who has been in the business for decades with well developed sources, stated that her sources, including some actually involved in the investigation, said the focus wasn't so much on the emails themselves. This is because the emails seem to have generated from public sources. But rather, they are looking at what Hillary and her aides said in response to those emails to see if they mentioned classified stuff that way.
When Joe Scarborough heard that, he started stammering and stuttering, and continually tried to cut Andrea off, because that reporting didn't support the republican talking points. But bear in mind that Andrea actually said her sources were part of the investigations. None of the republican hit pieces claim that.
As an aside, many people can't believe there could be TS stuff there accidently. But let me give you an example. If you have ever read an article on the internet about the Snowden NSA document thefts, then there is a very good chance you have TS material on your computer. The DOD has sent out memos reminding everyone that just because wikileaks has released TS/SCI documents on the internet doesn't mean that info is now unclassified. In fact, DOD emphasized that it remains TS/SCI, and they direct DOD personnel not to visit wikileaks or view any of the leaked documents or else you are guilty of illegal use and storage of classified material.
Now, you may say I never read wikileaks. But think about this. When you read an article from a newspaper that says that the NSA monitored the phone conversations of this country's leader or that one, what do you think the source material is of that information? That's right--it came from a TS/SCI SAP. So if you have on your computer's temp internet file a cache copy of any article discussing anything about the Snowden leaks, you almost certainly have TS/SCI info on there. And you say it wasn't marked classified? So what. As former military, can you not figure out that the fact that we are monitoring a foreign country's leaders communications is highly classified? So did you all report this breach to the DOD, or did you think that since it came from an unclassified newspaper article that it must be OK? Hmmmm.
As I've said all along, the investigation will eventually release their results and we will see. But all this noise and speculation is just that. Just because you once read an SCI document and are sure you would get in trouble if you mishandled it doesn't qualify anyone to definitively state what Hillary did or what she is guilty of. They just don't know, and generally have no clue. There is a lot more involved in the classification of material than most would think. That's why it is not only possible but common for intel agencies to disagree about what is and isn't classified or SAP. It is just not the black or white answer lay people think it would be.
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LTC (Join to see)
MCPO Roger Collins - pls go ahead and tell me specifically what I said that was untrue. Don't just list an entire regulation. Let me know. You've said I said many untrue things. So list them. If I'm wrong, I 'll be happy you caught ny errors. I'm not trying to convince anyone of a particular position by telling lies, I'm sharing what my experience was working in a classified environment. If yours was different, then by all means share that too. But don't just say I have stated many untruths without saying what it was.
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MCPO Roger Collins
LTC (Join to see) - Patience, when I get a chance to get to my PC, I will respond. But saying something is untrue doesn't mean lying as you state. One can make statements that they believe to be true but are not accurate. I could not possibly know when anyone is lying on RP.
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LTC (Join to see)
MCPO Roger Collins - no problem. I wasnt looking for you to quote a reg or anything, i was just wondering what you thought I was wrong about. Since you said I had many things wrong, I figured you must have already know what it was. Pls don't bother wasting any research time on it. It's not going to change anybody on this sites opinion of Hillary anyway. ;)
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MCPO Roger Collins
Most was regarding just who can classify anything and TS material handling. It was certainly not to say you were lying. Those two aspects are my primary problem with Hillary's non-secure server.
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Honestly my opinion of Hillary Clinton remains the same. I want be voting for her. I honestly at this point know who I will be voting for.
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Sgt Jay Jones
SSG Audwin Scott, I too am in a quandary over the pending primary votes. The people whom I deem as having my same set of values are too low in the polls to get nominated. I am not pleased with any of the top five front runners from the two dominate parties. I actually don't know who I will vote for. Between Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Cruz, and Rubio I am so disappointed. The one who scares me the most is Trump.
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CPT Jack Durish
I doubt there are few times in American history (or anyone's history for that matter) that We the People have had a good choice. It seems that politics attracts the worst of us like flies to garbage
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Sgt Jay Jones
CPT Jack Durish - And we both know where flies like to hang out! With garbage and outhouses!
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