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CPO Greg Frazho
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I had mixed feelings about CPO 365 when I was on active. I did 10 initiations and almost an eleventh before I punched. 365 was a fairly late-happening thing relative to my active service. It didn't really come into vogue until FY-12. I found the whole notion a bit patronizing because I perceived that somebody was directing chief petty officers to be chief petty officers 365 days a year. I didn't need to be told that; I lived it as an axiom since I put on anchors in '03. But I kind of get why that was put forth.

That said, I was still referring to the whole process as 'initiation' in selectees' charge books after what used to be called 'transition' (I think) got sundowned by Mike Stevens. We had a base CMDCM who had come from Seventh Fleet and he brought his C7F attitude with him. Needless to say, that season had something to be desired and I wrote a SCATHING after-action report when it was done. I was in Afghanistan the following season where we were pretty much left to our own devices and not being micromanaged by politicians more concerned with zero defects than they were with rocks and shoals. Strangely enough, that was probably one of the best seasons I'd experienced in years.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, the whole side-by-side thing once the list comes out is, to me, patronizing, self-defeating and acrimony-building. If you didn't get selected this year, well, better luck next year, study harder, work harder and good things will come. Even if you retire as a seasoned first class petty officer, that's still a very succesful career. One of these damn days, somebody's going to wake up to the notion that the everyone's-a-winner mentality is probably the most unhealthy mindset we can put people, much less senior staff NCOs, in. I hope it's sooner rather than later.
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Initiated by choice, proud by tradition. Hopefully, nothing changes the tradition of making Chief. It was the best day of my life.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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After My Time Shipmate. They had already HYTd My Ass before this was a thing. In a 365 review I might have done better. I walked on water with about everyone except some of my SEAs. I was good, I was Cocky, I didn't Play Games. Militarily Speaking I was not "Politically Correct".
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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I always got a kick out of Chiefs that would try and berate me and my Leadership capabilities, They were usually quite Shorter than me. I usually had to bite my Tongue to Keep from Laughing in their Face.
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CPO Gregory Smith
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Maybe that's why you were not selected. Not to give away too many secrets but a big part of transition training, or initiation, or whatever they call it now is humility. Learning how to be a "servant leader".
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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CPO Gregory Smith - Good Point Chief! Spot On!
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How did CPO 365 influence you as a leader and what would you change about the program?
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The quality of the CPO 365 program depends entirely on the command. At its worst it is a once a week death by power point session that everyone dreads. At its best it forges trust and open communication within the First Class mess, and between the Chiefs and First Classes.

That being said there was not much value in the Phase 1 programs I was involved in as a PO1. Phase 2 was a different story. The Phase 1 programs that I have participated in since making Chief are much better.

I take it you've recently attended your first CPO 365 event?
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LTJG Ansi Officer
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Chief, if all goes according to plan (with my paperwork still in processing), I should be frocked with everyone else next Monday. Not sure when I get to attend CPO 365 after that. But I have already asked a stellar Chief to be my mentor.
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SCPO Combat Systems Electronics Leading Petty Officer
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LTJG (Join to see) You can start participating now. Phase 1 is open to all ranks, just required for First Classes.
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LTJG Ansi Officer
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SCPO (Join to see) - Only E6 at my current command. I tried to get in during the past two years as a 2nd Class and was told no.
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My past command was the same E6 only. Honestly I wasn't too impressed. Learned very little, the CPO Mess wasn't involved enough, and it took me away from my mission on drill weekends (Intel, so we had a mission to be working).
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PO1 John Pokrzywa
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I think it started coming across as busywork after the first couple times. If you are one of the lucky ones being groomed for Chief, absolutely, it's for you.
To others of us, however, waiting on either a nod from the made-man in the topside offices that never came, some magical mass retirement of senior enlisted leadership, or in severe cases, somebody to die, in order to open an advancement billet-it was an exercise in futility, and is very much like the man with a fishing rod dangling a dollar bill in recent insurance commercials.
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PO1 Don Hand
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CPO 365 was dick rubbing gay. Never participated in it, didn't even try. I had actual work to do. And so did my Chiefs. We just kind of "signed the muster" and turned it in.

Anyone who thinks that they need permission to lead, or permission to do the job is everything wrong with the Navy.
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MCPO Mark Durland
MCPO Mark Durland
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Looks like that worked well for you.
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PO1 Don Hand
PO1 Don Hand
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I was 3rd runner up as Sailor of the Year back in 2005. I turned my back on the fleet and went Expeditionary. At sea, my biggest challenge would have been monitoring the watchbill, and who's taking out the trash. After 16 years at sea I wanted more. So became a Level II Cox'n in a small boat unit. I had my own Patrol Boat, trucks, crews to be responsible for. I eventually was moved to the landside and became even more responsible for other things.

Yes, I was board eligible for 7 years in a row, never once put in a package. Because I knew ( and have had confirmed countless times by other Chiefs that knew me in my parent community...) that what I was doing was as important, if not more so, than anything I would ever do in the fleet.

So, congratulations on your second star, but sponsoring a "Kumbayah" class on leadership was wasted on those of us who were actually leading.

I didn't make Chief. I MADE Chiefs. And I'm 100% okay with that. So, yes. Your comment is accurate. It did.
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PO1 Don Hand
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I have also been retired since December of 2010. At no point in time ever, did anyone ever ask me what my pay grade was. I have been a director at a national - non profit (won't say who, but I guarantee you know the song...) and am now working for my alma matter at the library. So yes, I suppose I could have been a good little boy and played the game the Navy way. I would have earned upwards of maybe $50 more a month in my retainer. And the money aspect of the whole issue is insulting. My seapay was over $500 a month, and as a type II sea command, we didn't get sea-pay. So not only did I willingly take a harder job out of rate, I "gave" the Navy over $30k in the time I was expeditionary to do so.

And before you discount that, you tell me that you ever want a guy out on the line who is doing it for the money. You tell me that and I will know you are full of it.
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PO1 Don Hand
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Yeah, no idea how that happened, and I can't figure out how to disestablish one of them. 1st world problems eh?
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MCPO Mark Durland
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Before I pinned on anchors...it didn't. There was no program back then. On the other hand, when I deployed to Kuwait in '04 I started meeting with my PO1s for leadership and professionalism training (this was also well before CPO365). Proud to say all of those who deployed with me pinned on anchors except one, and she pinned on a butter bar when she completed her BSN degree within a year of re-deployment. Two pinned a star above the anchor.
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